Best way to Counter Shyvana

[quote=SOAC Bas]Zed/Teemo/Vlad/Swain/Renekton/Irelia/Mundo are all good picks against her. If you can get your jungle to gank 2 or 3 times before she gets gear you could roll Darius against her. If you can pick up a few kills then awesome. Generally if I am playing shyvana. I will pick a mobile top laner where i can push the lane. Then roam to mid to gank. Someone like wukong will lose lane to shyvana, but you can cause so much pain in the other lanes. The cool part is that most shyvana players are like nasus players. They need a ton of farm so they won't leave lane to help their team. So leave and gank and farm teh opposing teams jungle.[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian]ADC top doesn't work because you just get camped + dived and there's not much you can do about it. You beat Shyvana by picking someone who can duel AND can push against her, i.e. the top meta picks Renekton or Mundo. Also, you need someone who scales just as hard.[/quote]

[quote=Hannul][quote=Jpikachu1999] [quote=Hannul] Try [[zed]]. Spam laugh and farm with [[razor shuriken]] is she about to ult you? [[death mark]] or w. she tries to go in on you? [[shadow slash]]. continue to spam laugh farm and harass her, then all in her if you have your ult, passive proc ready, and she's like 10-25% health depending on your ult level and how much armor pen you have compared to her armor. [/quote] Or, you know, she takes away half your health at level 2 or 3, doesn't care about your slow because she has a huge speed boost, and is tanky enough to survive ult? 9/21 [[Shyvana]] + [[Doran's Shield]] is gonna shrug off [[Razor Shuriken]]. You can't farm every single CS with [[Razor Shuriken]] and [[Shadow Slash]], at least not early game. You have to go up to creeps to auto attack. Then [[Shyvana]] gets to attack you; it doesn't matter if she gets only one or two autos off on you after hitting [[Flame Breath]], she's still doing around 100 - 250 damage. Also, your playstyle there is completely passive. What are you gonna do if you wanna go on the offense? You either don't deal enough damage to bother her, or you use your [[Living Shadow]] and/or [[Death Mark]] and she still outdamages you. I don't mean to be harsh, but I honestly cannot see how you would ever win that matchup as [[Zed]]. The whole point of [[Shyvana]] is that she wrecks squishies, and out-trades and out-damages tanks. As to who would be good against [[Shyvana]], a couple of champions come to mind. [[Aatrox]], although super squishy, can try to lifesteal up after each trade. I don't honestly know how that one would work. [[Kayle]], because she does ridiculous amounts of damage, mixed damage at that, has a strong slow, and has ranged harass. Plus, [[Intervention]] is insane. [[Yasuo]] does pretty well, really well once he gets [[Statikk Shiv]]. He has super strong poke with [[Steel Tempest]], he can block [[Flame Breath]] with [[Wind Wall]], and he has a lot of mobility. He can pretty much kite around [[Shyvana]] if she tries to go in, but he wins more because he can poke her constantly before fights. Or ban [[Shyvana]] because she's stupidly strong right now. That's a direct counter. [/quote] Are you implying I don't know how to kite [[shyvana]] and jungler ganks?[/quote]

[quote=Scott Azrael][quote=Jpikachu1999] [[Yasuo]] does pretty well, really well once he gets [[Statikk Shiv]]. He has super strong poke with [[Steel Tempest]], he can block [[Flame Breath]] with [[Wind Wall]], and he has a lot of mobility. He can pretty much kite around [[Shyvana]] if she tries to go in, but he wins more because he can poke her constantly before fights.[/quote] I was wondering if [[Yasuo]] would work against her. I had also debated if [[Tryndamere]] would work as long as I just tried to farm.[/quote]

[quote=Hannul][quote=Scott Azrael] [quote=Jpikachu1999] [[Yasuo]] does pretty well, really well once he gets [[Statikk Shiv]]. He has super strong poke with [[Steel Tempest]], he can block [[Flame Breath]] with [[Wind Wall]], and he has a lot of mobility. He can pretty much kite around [[Shyvana]] if she tries to go in, but he wins more because he can poke her constantly before fights.[/quote] I was wondering if [[Yasuo]] would work against her. I had also debated if [[Tryndamere]] would work as long as I just tried to farm. [/quote] wouldn't recommend [[yasuo]] as he gets banned so often in ranked[/quote]

[quote=SOAC Bas][quote=Scott Azrael] [quote=Jpikachu1999] [[Yasuo]] does pretty well, really well once he gets [[Statikk Shiv]]. He has super strong poke with [[Steel Tempest]], he can block [[Flame Breath]] with [[Wind Wall]], and he has a lot of mobility. He can pretty much kite around [[Shyvana]] if she tries to go in, but he wins more because he can poke her constantly before fights.[/quote] I was wondering if [[Yasuo]] would work against her. I had also debated if [[Tryndamere]] would work as long as I just tried to farm. [/quote] No and No. You will lose early game trades, and she will push you out of lane. Nasus is better than trynd if you jsut want to farm under turret. Yasuo's wind wall is not on the same cdr as the others.[/quote]

[quote=Bioalchemist]^ agreed. you need someone who can handle her early push/pressure. honestly i think the best matchups have already been listed. Zed/Teemo/Renekton/Mundo[/quote]

[quote=SOAC Bas][quote=Bioalchemist] ^ agreed. you need someone who can handle her early push/pressure. honestly i think the best matchups have already been listed. Zed/Teemo/Renekton/Mundo [/quote] Vlad and Swain are solid against her. She can't hurt them, and they really can't hurt her. Vlad can scale with her, and Swain's early game trades will really hurt her. If you want to stay in lane then the 6 mentioned are probably your best bet. If you want to play a different champ pick one that can roam every time she is in lane and gank other lanes.[/quote]

[quote=Jpikachu1999][quote=Hannul] [quote=Jpikachu1999] [quote=Hannul] Try [[zed]]. Spam laugh and farm with [[razor shuriken]] is she about to ult you? [[death mark]] or w. she tries to go in on you? [[shadow slash]]. continue to spam laugh farm and harass her, then all in her if you have your ult, passive proc ready, and she's like 10-25% health depending on your ult level and how much armor pen you have compared to her armor. [/quote] Or, you know, she takes away half your health at level 2 or 3, doesn't care about your slow because she has a huge speed boost, and is tanky enough to survive ult? 9/21 [[Shyvana]] + [[Doran's Shield]] is gonna shrug off [[Razor Shuriken]]. You can't farm every single CS with [[Razor Shuriken]] and [[Shadow Slash]], at least not early game. You have to go up to creeps to auto attack. Then [[Shyvana]] gets to attack you; it doesn't matter if she gets only one or two autos off on you after hitting [[Flame Breath]], she's still doing around 100 - 250 damage. Also, your playstyle there is completely passive. What are you gonna do if you wanna go on the offense? You either don't deal enough damage to bother her, or you use your [[Living Shadow]] and/or [[Death Mark]] and she still outdamages you. I don't mean to be harsh, but I honestly cannot see how you would ever win that matchup as [[Zed]]. The whole point of [[Shyvana]] is that she wrecks squishies, and out-trades and out-damages tanks. As to who would be good against [[Shyvana]], a couple of champions come to mind. [[Aatrox]], although super squishy, can try to lifesteal up after each trade. I don't honestly know how that one would work. [[Kayle]], because she does ridiculous amounts of damage, mixed damage at that, has a strong slow, and has ranged harass. Plus, [[Intervention]] is insane. [[Yasuo]] does pretty well, really well once he gets [[Statikk Shiv]]. He has super strong poke with [[Steel Tempest]], he can block [[Flame Breath]] with [[Wind Wall]], and he has a lot of mobility. He can pretty much kite around [[Shyvana]] if she tries to go in, but he wins more because he can poke her constantly before fights. Or ban [[Shyvana]] because she's stupidly strong right now. That's a direct counter. [/quote] Are you implying I don't know how to kite [[shyvana]] and jungler ganks? [/quote] I'm not implying anything, maybe you can kit [[Shyvana]] as [[Zed]], but I sure can't. I just know that [[Shyvana]] has a lot of MS and goes in really hard whenever people walk up to CS. Maybe you are better at [[Zed]] than me, I'm just saying that I have no clue how to win that lane as [[Zed]], it just seems to me that [[Shyvana]] would win. Maybe there are some techniques I'm not aware of, but I just would say that an "average" [[Zed]] player such as myself wouldn't be great against [[Shyvana]]. I didn't mean to imply anything or insult you, I just meant that, in my eyes, [[Zed]] is not one of the "best" ways to counter [[Shyvana]]. I've also never seen a [[Zed]] win that matchup, but maybe I haven't seen that many good [[Zed]]s. I'm sorry if my speech came out the wrong way. [quote=SOAC Bas] No and No. You will lose early game trades, and she will push you out of lane. Nasus is better than trynd if you jsut want to farm under turret. Yasuo's wind wall is not on the same cdr as the others. [/quote] I understand that [[Yasuo]] loses early trades, but once you get at least a [[Zeal]] + [[Boots of Speed]] you have a decent time. I guess he's not the "best" but I've seen it work before.[/quote]

[quote=Hannul][quote=Jpikachu1999] [quote=Hannul] [quote=Jpikachu1999] [quote=Hannul] Try [[zed]]. Spam laugh and farm with [[razor shuriken]] is she about to ult you? [[death mark]] or w. she tries to go in on you? [[shadow slash]]. continue to spam laugh farm and harass her, then all in her if you have your ult, passive proc ready, and she's like 10-25% health depending on your ult level and how much armor pen you have compared to her armor. [/quote] Or, you know, she takes away half your health at level 2 or 3, doesn't care about your slow because she has a huge speed boost, and is tanky enough to survive ult? 9/21 [[Shyvana]] + [[Doran's Shield]] is gonna shrug off [[Razor Shuriken]]. You can't farm every single CS with [[Razor Shuriken]] and [[Shadow Slash]], at least not early game. You have to go up to creeps to auto attack. Then [[Shyvana]] gets to attack you; it doesn't matter if she gets only one or two autos off on you after hitting [[Flame Breath]], she's still doing around 100 - 250 damage. Also, your playstyle there is completely passive. What are you gonna do if you wanna go on the offense? You either don't deal enough damage to bother her, or you use your [[Living Shadow]] and/or [[Death Mark]] and she still outdamages you. I don't mean to be harsh, but I honestly cannot see how you would ever win that matchup as [[Zed]]. The whole point of [[Shyvana]] is that she wrecks squishies, and out-trades and out-damages tanks. As to who would be good against [[Shyvana]], a couple of champions come to mind. [[Aatrox]], although super squishy, can try to lifesteal up after each trade. I don't honestly know how that one would work. [[Kayle]], because she does ridiculous amounts of damage, mixed damage at that, has a strong slow, and has ranged harass. Plus, [[Intervention]] is insane. [[Yasuo]] does pretty well, really well once he gets [[Statikk Shiv]]. He has super strong poke with [[Steel Tempest]], he can block [[Flame Breath]] with [[Wind Wall]], and he has a lot of mobility. He can pretty much kite around [[Shyvana]] if she tries to go in, but he wins more because he can poke her constantly before fights. Or ban [[Shyvana]] because she's stupidly strong right now. That's a direct counter. [/quote] Are you implying I don't know how to kite [[shyvana]] and jungler ganks? [/quote] I'm not implying anything, maybe you can kit [[Shyvana]] as [[Zed]], but I sure can't. I just know that [[Shyvana]] has a lot of MS and goes in really hard whenever people walk up to CS. Maybe you are better at [[Zed]] than me, I'm just saying that I have no clue how to win that lane as [[Zed]], it just seems to me that [[Shyvana]] would win. Maybe there are some techniques I'm not aware of, but I just would say that an "average" [[Zed]] player such as myself wouldn't be great against [[Shyvana]]. I didn't mean to imply anything or insult you, I just meant that, in my eyes, [[Zed]] is not one of the "best" ways to counter [[Shyvana]]. I've also never seen a [[Zed]] win that matchup, but maybe I haven't seen that many good [[Zed]]s. I'm sorry if my speech came out the wrong way. [quote=SOAC Bas] No and No. You will lose early game trades, and she will push you out of lane. Nasus is better than trynd if you jsut want to farm under turret. Yasuo's wind wall is not on the same cdr as the others. [/quote] I understand that [[Yasuo]] loses early trades, but once you get at least a [[Zeal]] + [[Boots of Speed]] you have a decent time. I guess he's not the "best" but I've seen it work before. [/quote] you're right about [[yasuo]], but he can only trade while his shield is up or poke through creeps with q, auto attacks are a no. Well you don't need shield, just a full charged e+q knockup then e away lol. And yes, I can juke quite well with [[living shadow]] and [[death mark]] and can also harass/farm at the same time. I'm not the best [[zed]] player but I'm pretty decent[/quote]