Champs that have been consistently good picks

[quote=cooper56]What do you think some are? Renekton been strong picks since s2. Rumble even with nerfs i still think been consistently top tier. Thresh since he came out after what seems like 20 nerfs still top tier support Udyr i find no matter where meta is he has been quite strong in jungle or any where Cait Range op all time Kass that ult to strong[/quote]

[quote=utopus]IIRC, [[lee sin]] has always been a strong pick. Certainly not must pick/ban, but always a safe & strong pick. Also, i think vi has always been a nice pick. Same with elise, although it was strange how she gradually shifted from being top laner, to jungler. The last two champions are definitely newer though. They haven't been around as long to see the game change[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard][quote=utopus] Same with elise, although it was strange how she gradually shifted from being top laner, to jungler. [/quote] Considering they nerfed the crap out of her ranged form harass and put most of her power in spider form, it actually makes a lot of sense. She also fits the whole duelist/ganking jungler meta much better than the tank top lane meta.[/quote]

[quote=cooper56]I liked elise when she was top not jungle was easier on me as laner buff her human nerf spider plz riot.[/quote]

[quote=Embracing]Udyr's always been sub-optimal because of how his kit has no gapclosers. Aside from the ones mentioned above, Gragas, Orianna, Jarvan, and Shen have always been consistent[/quote]

[quote=SkidmarkD]Except how J4 has dropped off since S4 for some reason.[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark]Because they decreased the hitbox on his EQ combo, I think. As a nerf it didn't do much, it's just made him harder to play.[/quote]

[quote=luizdeh]Didn't [[shen]] have a period of time where he was complete garbage? Might be off on this, but I've heard such mentions. This is for SoloQ, right? Then: [[gragas]], [[orianna]], [[lee sin]], [[elise]], [[jarvan]], [[renekton]], [[thresh]], [[caitlyn]], [[singed]], [[udyr]]... can't remember, but maybe more. Won't mention [[kassadin]] because he went from underplayed to permabanned.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Vapora Dark] Because they decreased the hitbox on his EQ combo, I think. As a nerf it didn't do much, it's just made him harder to play. [/quote] [[Vi]] and [[Elise]] generally outshine him in the jungle. He's still really solid though.[/quote]

[quote=cooper56][quote=luizdeh] Didn't [[shen]] have a period of time where he was complete garbage? Might be off on this, but I've heard such mentions. This is for SoloQ, right? Then: [[gragas]], [[orianna]], [[lee sin]], [[elise]], [[jarvan]], [[renekton]], [[thresh]], [[caitlyn]], [[singed]], [[udyr]]... can't remember, but maybe more. Won't mention [[kassadin]] because he went from underplayed to permabanned. [/quote] Yes shen was bad few months ago they over nerfed his taunt to point it was shit.[/quote]