Chick-picking-up guide...

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS][quote=MissMaw] Alex plays it, therefore I support it :3 [/quote] I believe M5 lost when he played it last...The last "successful" use of AP Zil mid was CLG.NA months ago...If I'm remembering correctly.[/quote]

[quote=Jovy]He played Zil in the championship and m5 won, i'm pretty sure[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla]My team wants me to play him, but after boots > athenes i have no fucking clue what to build on him. I kind of have an idea how to play him, and he's an absolutely sick mid, but i have zero clue what to build on him.[/quote]

[quote=Wayne3100]@Jeffy They lost the last time he played it, but they also won with it earlier in the Championship[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm][[Zilean]] is my second favorite AP. XD Would love to see a platinum approved guide for him.[/quote]

[quote=Nighthawk]tbh I kinda feel like while his early and midgame is amazing, he kinda needs a good teamcomp lategame (or just a good team) since his bombs basically require your team to go in to get the damage on it, his e is basically the same, and his ult requires your team to actually do something. He can be a really good pick though, no doubt.[/quote]

[quote=CrimsonSkyz][quote=Nighthawk] tbh I kinda feel like while his early and midgame is amazing, he kinda needs a good teamcomp lategame (or just a good team) since his bombs basically require your team to go in to get the damage on it, his e is basically the same, and his ult requires your team to actually do something. He can be a really good pick though, no doubt. [/quote] ^same for me. Main problem for me with [[zilean]] is that if you don't have a good team you will be at a huge disadvantage. [[zilean]] doesn't really have any way to secure kills [b]if[/b] a jerk teammate is there with you. By jerk teammate, I mean someone who will ks you. [[zilean]] is ksed easily due to the short delay on his [[time bomb]]. Here's an example: [list] [*]You( as [[zilean]]) place a [[time bomb]] on the enemy champ( let's just say [[teemo]]). [*]Then you use [[rewind]] and place another [[time bomb]] on [[teemo]] therefore detonating the previous [[time bomb]] and doing a ehavy amount of damage. [*]Now your main source of damage is on cooldown for a while and you will haev to rely on AAs. [*]A teammate(let's say [[rengar]]) is there with you helping kill [[teemo]]. [*]Both of you have dealt a lot of damage on [[teemo]] and your 2nd [[time bomb]] is still on [[teemo]] waiting to detonate. [*][[rengar]] seeing how low on health [[teemo]] is decides to secure the kill and kills [[teemo]] before your 2nd [[time bomb]] detonates. [/list] That [[rengar]] just stole your kill and if this kind of thing keeps happening you won't be able to do your role as the AP carry effectively.[/quote]

[quote=Nighthawk][quote=CrimsonSkyz] [quote=Nighthawk] tbh I kinda feel like while his early and midgame is amazing, he kinda needs a good teamcomp lategame (or just a good team) since his bombs basically require your team to go in to get the damage on it, his e is basically the same, and his ult requires your team to actually do something. He can be a really good pick though, no doubt. [/quote] ^same for me. Main problem for me with [[zilean]] is that if you don't have a good team you will be at a huge disadvantage. [[zilean]] doesn't really have any way to secure kills [b]if[/b] a jerk teammate is there with you. By jerk teammate, I mean someone who will ks you. [[zilean]] is ksed easily due to the short delay on his [[time bomb]]. Here's an example: [list] [*]You( as [[zilean]]) place a [[time bomb]] on the enemy champ( let's just say [[teemo]]). [*]Then you use [[rewind]] and place another [[time bomb]] on [[teemo]] therefore detonating the previous [[time bomb]] and doing a ehavy amount of damage. [*]Now your main source of damage is on cooldown for a while and you will haev to rely on AAs. [*]A teammate(let's say [[rengar]]) is there with you helping kill [[teemo]]. [*]Both of you have dealt a lot of damage on [[teemo]] and your 2nd [[time bomb]] is still on [[teemo]] waiting to detonate. [*][[rengar]] seeing how low on health [[teemo]] is decides to secure the kill and kills [[teemo]] before your 2nd [[time bomb]] detonates. [/list] That [[rengar]] just stole your kill and if this kind of thing keeps happening you won't be able to do your role as the AP carry effectively. [/quote] well tbh that isn't even the problem, zilean has no range lategame, if you go in to bomb someone you just instantly get blown up lol.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm][[Zilean]] doesn't even really go for kills, he sets them up. Bombs with a void staff still hurt most targets A LOT endgame. He has one of the best slows/speedups in the game and a free GA for anyone. He's a utility mage.[/quote]

[quote=MyRepublic]If [[rengar]] can get the kill that's fine. No one gives a flying f*** about "ks's". Especially if they're playing a [[rengar]]. And as they said that's not even close to the problem. I think even as AP mid zil should be a support later in the game. He just doesn't have the stuff to carry. Honestly if you want a champ that can support and carry at the same time I'd go with [[oriana]]. She doesn't have quite as much utility, but she has more carry potential. So if you're playing zil I wouldn't be caring about kills. I'd care about how to provide as much utility as you can to your team.[/quote]