Serpe's Jungling Corner!

[quote=Temzilla][quote=DuffTime] Janna probably yeah, Corki, I don't agree. They just play it more often. Zep... I feel like you haven't seen any good Shacos recently. It's fucking retarded, he's always in your lane and he doesn't suffer from doing that. It's almost like having a random 2v1 all over the map and still getting your jungle cleared. [/quote] Korean jannas get 2gp/10, then rush either Starks or Will of the Ancients, and an Aegis, and just follow around the best member of the team and feed him kills. They also ward the entire map, all the time. MakNoon maybe in specific, his corki is just so refined. His lane pressure is a lot like Rammus, or old Evelynn, in that, if you are out to far, you are likely already dead. [quote=Zeprido] Split pushing is countered easily when you are ahead, and only viable in solo queue with lack of team communication. [/quote] Fixed that for you.[/quote]

[quote=ZioSerpe]Zep hates shaco, that is a given xD Anyway spit pusing in son that counterable in competitive play when it's done by shaco, who basically can ward all his way with jitbs and is an artist at excaping. Also his spit pushing is effective in competitive play, assuming he's not banned. Also, I play a way better Janna than any korean >:([/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=ZioSerpe] Zep hates shaco, that is a given xD Anyway spit pusing in son that counterable in competitive play when it's done by shaco, who basically can ward all his way with jitbs and is an artist at excaping. Also his spit pushing is effective in competitive play, assuming he's not banned. Also, I play a way better Janna than any korean >:( [/quote] Korean janna is terror. Suicide to save their carry, only build WotA/Starks + Aegis, and ward the entire map all game.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Ye I know how Koreans play Janna. Don't know if I agree with their choicesf for all games or not (I don't think that build works every time) but it's good.[/quote]

[quote=omagma]I will like to ask again, since last time i got no answer. I will like to have some proof of this "mentor" of yours, if you do not mind.[/quote]

[quote=Zeprido]Most of the good Shacos I've seen have been hindered by their team (in solo queue) can be a result of their teammates pushing or lack of follow up. The rest are either denied buffs or fall behind due to a number of factors that are also out of their control. Again, Shaco is not a team champion, specializes in 1v1 and split pushing. If done well that can win the game, but in a game that centers around team play, in team fight he does not bring much other than damage/evasion. Others in T1 bring fast clear, good to strong ganks, great control, and transition. Shaco only displays 2 of these qualities. T2 is extremely respectable, and in the right hands under the right conditions, can be better than a T1 champion, however I feel that you are simply biased upwards his strengths and ignoring his weaknesses.[/quote]

[quote=Searz]Tier lists are for good players.. No offense.[/quote]

[quote=Zeprido]Not always true. I could make a tier list for different Elo ranges, for instance, at lower elos tryndamere, twitch, and especially eve would probably be T1/2 due to widespread lack of counterplay and awareness. I don't even want to talk about Mordekaiser... oh wait, I did.[/quote]

[quote=Xenasis][quote=Zeprido] Not always true. I could make a tier list for different Elo ranges, for instance, at lower elos tryndamere, twitch, and especially eve would probably be T1/2 due to widespread lack of counterplay and awareness. [/quote] He didn't specify an Elo range, and if this was aimed at low Elo, Shaco, Tryndamere, Rammus, Yi would all be in the top 5 or 6.[/quote]

[quote=ZioSerpe][quote=omagma] I will like to ask again, since last time i got no answer. I will like to have some proof of this "mentor" of yours, if you do not mind. [/quote] I must have missed that, my bad, idk wich proves could I bring, don't think I have screenshots of when we used to play. Anyway rest assured he's one piece of shit and an asshole who can't fucking take criticism, and for all these, I won't never stress this enough, he should rot in hell. And btw as far as he taught me the basics, I've been on my own for long, and I'm positive I am way past what he could teach me. [quote=Searz] Tier lists are for good players.. No offense. [/quote] Bad players can take advantage of them if they also start asking questions about jungling rather than looking at tier list and think "hey if I play T1 I winz lololololol" It's the propose of this thread afterall know stuff about jungle.[/quote]