Serpe's Jungling Corner!

[quote=Temzilla][quote=ZioSerpe] [quote=Zeprido] Again, all of that depends on his early game. He is extremey delicate and if denied it absolutely devastates his late game (nonexistent). I'm not say he is bad, that he is potentially poisonous to his own team which IMO keeps him out of T1. [/quote] It's worth noticing that ganking with [[shaco]] (and [[rammus]] is very simple even for the least skilled player. That said, in the hands of higly skilled junglers it's hard to fail earlygame as you add to the easy ganks an high amount of skill from the player. For example SaintVicious is devastating as shaco because his ganking ability is godlike despite the champion he's playing. I've studied all his tattics but still I can't reach that level of ganking ability, nor can anyone else currently. He's got a special feeling for ganking that gives him the edge despite his amazingly bad (when compared to other great junglers that is) theorycrafting. When youre naturally good at ganking [[shaco]] rewards you amazingly. [/quote] Saintvicious secretly korean.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=ZioSerpe] He's got a special feeling for ganking that gives him the edge despite his amazingly bad (when compared to other great junglers that is) theorycrafting. When youre naturally good at ganking [[shaco]] rewards you amazingly. [/quote] Hahahah so true he's a fucking retard but he ganks well.[/quote]

[quote=Khazem][quote=DuffTime] Because end game you can't do that. You hard engage and win the 5v4, deal with shaco, and push the base. [/quote] Well true, you do need to have some form of disengage on your team to split push effectively end game[/quote]

[quote=ZioSerpe][quote=Temzilla] [quote=ZioSerpe] [quote=Zeprido] Again, all of that depends on his early game. He is extremey delicate and if denied it absolutely devastates his late game (nonexistent). I'm not say he is bad, that he is potentially poisonous to his own team which IMO keeps him out of T1. [/quote] It's worth noticing that ganking with [[shaco]] (and [[rammus]] is very simple even for the least skilled player. That said, in the hands of higly skilled junglers it's hard to fail earlygame as you add to the easy ganks an high amount of skill from the player. For example SaintVicious is devastating as shaco because his ganking ability is godlike despite the champion he's playing. I've studied all his tattics but still I can't reach that level of ganking ability, nor can anyone else currently. He's got a special feeling for ganking that gives him the edge despite his amazingly bad (when compared to other great junglers that is) theorycrafting. When youre naturally good at ganking [[shaco]] rewards you amazingly. [/quote] Saintvicious secretly korean. [/quote] Koreans can theorycraft on builds, he can't.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=ZioSerpe] [quote=Temzilla] [quote=ZioSerpe] [quote=Zeprido] Again, all of that depends on his early game. He is extremey delicate and if denied it absolutely devastates his late game (nonexistent). I'm not say he is bad, that he is potentially poisonous to his own team which IMO keeps him out of T1. [/quote] It's worth noticing that ganking with [[shaco]] (and [[rammus]] is very simple even for the least skilled player. That said, in the hands of higly skilled junglers it's hard to fail earlygame as you add to the easy ganks an high amount of skill from the player. For example SaintVicious is devastating as shaco because his ganking ability is godlike despite the champion he's playing. I've studied all his tattics but still I can't reach that level of ganking ability, nor can anyone else currently. He's got a special feeling for ganking that gives him the edge despite his amazingly bad (when compared to other great junglers that is) theorycrafting. When youre naturally good at ganking [[shaco]] rewards you amazingly. [/quote] Saintvicious secretly korean. [/quote] Koreans can theorycraft on builds, he can't. [/quote] It was a joke, about Koreans playing lots of Shaco.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]I think the koreans play shaco a lot better than we do personally.[/quote]

[quote=Zeprido]I think there is a disconnect somewhere. You keep assuming Shaco with an amazing early game as if it's guaranteed (it's not). Other than his early game there is just not much Shaco brings with him. Again, outclassed through transition to late game.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=Zeprido] I think there is a disconnect somewhere. You keep assuming Shaco with an amazing early game as if it's guaranteed (it's not). Other than his early game there is just not much Shaco brings with him. Again, outclassed through transition to late game. [/quote] Well, he's a REALLY good split pusher/back doorer with his ultimate. AP Shaco is pretty worthless, but you can do a lot with AD shaco. [quote=DuffTime] I think the koreans play shaco a lot better than we do personally. [/quote] Yup. They also play Corki and Janna better than us.[/quote]

[quote=Zeprido]Split pushing is countered easily and only viable in solo queue with lack of team communication.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Janna probably yeah, Corki, I don't agree. They just play it more often. Zep... I feel like you haven't seen any good Shacos recently. It's fucking retarded, he's always in your lane and he doesn't suffer from doing that. It's almost like having a random 2v1 all over the map and still getting your jungle cleared.[/quote]