Strongest non-ultimate ability?

[quote=Arkharan]It's not because there's more people in lower tiers that x skill is more op. If anything akali whole kit is op if we start on this road. Edit: Well I tried the best with my vocabulary / knoledge to do an analogy now if it's not clear that should make a little bit more sense ^.[/quote]

[quote=IShouldGetALife]Blitz is perma banned because every one is scared of that one blitz that can land the grab which is the minority, also being perma banned doesn't represent the actual power of the champion/ability of that champion it represents the opinion of a certain player if you take into consideration things like playful/trickster which renders fizz UNTARGETABLE so he dodges ANY ability that includes rocket grab. My point is that even though in higher tiers the grab might be more accurate it still only represents the skill of the one using and the lack of skill/helplessness of the one being targeted[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]oh god please dont be like xander with the whole untargetable thing, with fizz you have to time it correctly and there is counter play to it with blitz's grab you can basically shoot it into the enemy team and it will result in a kill making the fight a 4v5, yes you can hide behind minions but minions die after a few seconds and there arnt minions to hide behind in the jungle, blitz can also grab buffs making him strong for invading there are a lot of things you can do with a blitz grab that have little to no counterplay which is why its the most op skill[/quote]

[quote=IShouldGetALife]The whole fact that you're saying a fizz pole or vlad pool takes skill and timing is what I've been saying about the blitz grab this whole time. And while the fact that blitz can just pull someone into his team and make it a 4v5 well again at the skill level that most blitz players can do that most people know that a tank is the front line so blitz grab well that just gives the tank an easier initiate. Edit: with the jungle grab and the buff grab well if you are alone in your jungle without wards when people start to roam well you deserve to be grabbed[/quote]

[quote=Joshified]Blitz isn't THAT easy. Imagine pulling in the tank? As long as the enemy team follows you are probably going to die a terrible death. A really good Blitz won't just "shoot his grab into the enemey team", it requires a lot more skill that that. On topic, I personally think [[Olaf]]'s reckless swing (his e) should be a contributer, all that true damage on such a low cooldown in insane.[/quote]

[quote=Thalia Kael][img=http://oi40.tinypic.com/352oq6s.jpg] Ok I know my painting is bad and the rest of the team is in bad positions but I just put them there so you can see but if where Blitz isnt warded, their tank is still on the front line but he gets an easy shot on their ADC, you can do this at tons of places[/quote]

[quote=IShouldGetALife]@ thalia true but again I'm saying that there shouldn't be a problem because in all honesty there should be plenty of wards assuming that everyone is doing their job and warding. Also I'm purely going with logic and common sense here shouldn't the team notice the missing blitz and then shouldn't the adc have someone on the other side of him. Sure it doesn't always work that way but again going with common sense until the blitz is located shouldn't the support or whoever is peeling for the adc be between him and the most likely direction the blitz is gonna grab from?[/quote]

[quote=Arkharan]I feel thalia that this blitz is going to get killed, regardless. He's the one out of position right there lol[/quote]

[quote=IShouldGetALife]Woah that is a horrible position for a blitz the grab wouldn't pull the adc to the enemy team at all just flash away over the wall and get back into the fight.[/quote]

[quote=Thalia Kael]Yeah that's what I meant about the other team members being in weird places, I wanted them to be where / right beside where Blitz is but there wasn't enough room for me to place them sorry for being unclear I just wanted to show that they were pressuring/pushing bot lane but they would be where Blitz is And yeah true as long as they are warding properly shouldn't be a problem[/quote]