Who do you think is secretly op?

[quote=koksei][quote=omagma] [quote=koksei] [quote=omagma] I been playing Dota 2 (like all the cool people) so i am still at 1400. [/quote] DotA 2 is horrible and I'd own you there trust me son :3 I've played some dota last weekend and I am still op and made them all leave.. I just dun like the graphics of dota2 -.- seems so wrong and meh the champs look like crap compared to the old ones [/quote] Pics, or did not happen. And no, Dota 2 i great, i am having way more fun than i ever had in lol.... And Koksei, get of your high horse, being an asshole do not suite you. [/quote] *suit :D and no I am not joking you'd have no chance I am srs. I am probably still way better at dota than I am at LoL :P I'd play against you if you want or play with you idc just add me in steam - koksei. Gimme 1-2 rounds of dota then I am back to my usual self ^^. And regarding the pics - go [url=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/forum/general/kokseis-journey-in-soloq-13984?page=6#comment-532424]here[/url] but.. I forgot the screenshot where you can see the elo :D I'll just make one if I hit 1700 today :) Regarding the OP: Kennen, Vlad, Shen, Lee well no real secrets and kennen is just my own naive foolish opinion[/quote]

[quote=Embracing]Warwick is better off with tanky items. Kayle IDK[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=animorte] [quote=omagma] [quote=animorte] [[Karma]] is a great champion. Most people just don't know how to use her. [/quote] Karma is terrible. [/quote] The only champion in the entire game that can heal your entire team and damage the entire enemy team in one ability, shield one of your allies and damage the entire enemy team in one ability. Two ways to completely save somebody's life while dealing damage to the entire enemy team. Yup, terrible. People just despise her for not having an extremely game-changing ultimate. That's ok because there is always room for me to use her and do great. :) [/quote] Presuming we aren't talking about Karma as a support here. She isn't that great, she has great early game damage but she is screwed by everything that has spammable hard cc and/or can push very well. Also, very sustained champions easily beat her (e.g. [[Vladimir]] and [[Mordekaiser]] just rape her in lane, not even funny). Additionally, she has no escape abilities other than her [[Spirit Bond]] which is a pretty crappy ability to escape imo; making her even easier to gank than [[Malzahar]] and [[Xerath]]. To all this we can add that her burst is pretty hard to land (due to her [[Soul Shield]]'s mechanic) and it isn't much better than any other ap, despite her ability to get 6 ranks in every ability. Right now, it feels as if her 6th rank is no bonus over other champions but she still hasn't an ultimate. Her design makes her one of the best in the level 1 - 5 but after level six she is going to experience serious problems as her showdown skills are not going to increase. Recapping, legit champion but is simply outdone by a lot of other champions who bring more offensive utility in the form of hard cc/debuffs.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=RosePhoenix] Warwick is better off with tanky items. Kayle IDK [/quote] Agreed, it works on Warwick but as I said: priorities usually lie somewhere else; especially since it doesn't scale into late-game. Getting it really early does really increase your damage a lot though. Combining [[Malady]] with her [[Holy Fervor]] make it a solid pick, even on support [[Kayle]]. However, as said; it doesn't scale well and as a support you might want to get other stuff first. *feels like a broken record* *walks away*[/quote]

[quote=animorte]I guess I have some rare ability to actually make Karma work, no matter what role she starts in... I honestly don't understand how she seems to be that difficult. Anyway, back on topic: I like to take [[Mundo]] and [[Mordekaiser]] mid under generally the same circumstances, considering the fact that they almost never have to go back. [[Kassadin]] and [[Galio]] are perhaps two of the greatest picks for mid when talking about countering in general.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Malady just blows so hard. It's not good on anybody.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf][quote=GrandmasterD] Additionally, she has no escape abilities other than her [[Spirit Bond]] which is a pretty crappy ability to escape imo; making her even easier to gank than [[Malzahar]] and [[Xerath]]. [/quote] What? How does a Slow/speed up make her easier to gank than Malzahar? He has a skillshot [i]silence.[/i] That doesn't ensure they can't get to him, just makes it so they can't use spells. THey can still run at him, full speed or close to it. [quote=GrandmasterD] To all this we can add that her burst is pretty hard to land (due to her [[Soul Shield]]'s mechanic) and it isn't much better than any other ap, despite her ability to get 6 ranks in every ability. [/quote] It's not her soul shield that makes it hard to land the burst, it's the fact that [[spirit bond]] doesn't do damage to the bond-ee. You have to get in what is usually an unfavorable position to do damage with it. It is however your highest base damage skill.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Lugignaf] [quote=GrandmasterD] Additionally, she has no escape abilities other than her [[Spirit Bond]] which is a pretty crappy ability to escape imo; making her even easier to gank than [[Malzahar]] and [[Xerath]]. [/quote] What? How does a Slow/speed up make her easier to gank than Malzahar? He has a skillshot [i]silence.[/i] That doesn't ensure they can't get to him, just makes it so they can't use spells. THey can still run at him, full speed or close to it. [quote=GrandmasterD] To all this we can add that her burst is pretty hard to land (due to her [[Soul Shield]]'s mechanic) and it isn't much better than any other ap, despite her ability to get 6 ranks in every ability. [/quote] It's not her soul shield that makes it hard to land the burst, it's the fact that [[spirit bond]] doesn't do damage to the bond-ee. You have to get in what is usually an unfavorable position to do damage with it. It is however your highest base damage skill. [/quote] It's quite easy to hit [[Call Of The Void]] when you are an avid [[Malzahar]] player; especially if they walk towards you. Imo a silence is worth more than a slow. However, that was totally not my point, just named an example. :P From what I understand [[Soul Shield]] is maxed first and therefore hard to land, if you'd max [[Spirit Bond]] first, the burst is still hard to land; so my comment would remain valid.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf][[soul shield]] isn't hard to land. It's a target spell and you can just target yourself.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Lugignaf] [[soul shield]] isn't hard to land. It's a target spell and you can just target yourself. [/quote] The radius of the AoE is around 600 which is abysmal if you have to walk towards your enemies to damage them. Even [[Ryze]] will outrange you then. Well, it is even worse, if you don't time your spell fast enough then [[Vladimir]] will be able to [[Transfusion]] you and walk out of range before you've cast it (managed to do that several times versus [[Karma]]). If people know how to play against [[Karma]] they'll just learn not to stand too close to minions in order to avoid [[Soul Shield]]'s harassment; so yes it is quite hard to land. Additionally, her base damages aren't really high despite having a 6th rank. Oh and before I forget, [[Soul Shield]] can only be used as a damaging spell when your 'ultimate' is up; otherwise you can't even damage your enemy. All in all, I think [[Karma]] is a pretty sad ap mid and loses most matchups. She offers no hard CC, no burst and no high dps. The only thing she offers is a reasonable heal (yes even when going full-AP, it is still a pretty weak heal) and a shield. I have to admit, that the shield is pretty powerful but not potent enough as a damage spell. Another thing is that her [[Spirit Bond]] is extremely hard to use as a damaging spell so you can't abuse it's high base damage. (which isn't exactly too high considering it has 6 ranks) Taking all of this into account and the fact that she has no real ultimate, therefore not becoming significantly stronger at level 6, makes me conclude that she is a pretty sad ap mid. Her only strength might be that people don't know how to play against her; I know I had that when I played the matchup yesterday.[/quote]