Who do you think is secretly op?

[quote=Lugignaf][quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=Lugignaf] [[soul shield]] isn't hard to land. It's a target spell and you can just target yourself. [/quote] If people know how to play against [[Karma]] they'll just learn not to stand too close to minions in order to avoid [[Soul Shield]]'s harassment; so yes it is quite hard to land. [/quote] Implying people know how to play against Karma.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Lugignaf] [quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=Lugignaf] [[soul shield]] isn't hard to land. It's a target spell and you can just target yourself. [/quote] If people know how to play against [[Karma]] they'll just learn not to stand too close to minions in order to avoid [[Soul Shield]]'s harassment; so yes it is quite hard to land. [/quote] Implying people know how to play against Karma. [/quote] Very true but when theorycrafting about a matchup, I presume both players are familiar with the matchup. It took me 15-20 minutes of laning to figure out how to play :P[/quote]

[quote=LaronX]Nike people don't even know how to play vs AP that you see all day. To assume that they even know how Karma works is a bit out of range :P[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf][quote=LaronX] Nike people don't even know how to play vs AP that you see all day. To assume that they even know how Karma works is a bit out of range :P [/quote] Agreed. If you're going in for a last hit on a ranged minion, chances are that a melee minion close to you is available for shield bombing. If you're off to the side, I can usually Q you easy. Sometimes, even tag you with the bond. Truth is, I can pull about 100 different tactics on you on a whim. Don't forget that we're talking about one of the most complex champions in the league. And on the "it's hard to shield instant spells like [[transfusion]]" thing, I have shielded [[siphon of destruction]] which is even more difficult since it's a pretty big range too. There's also no aggro indicator on Morde if he's casting it in your direction. So, it's all about reaction time I guess.[/quote]

[quote=Fox Rage]I side with Luigi. Karma is misunderstood and by far one of the most complex and hardest champ to play in the League. I believe Riot should buff [[Spirit Bond]] so that the damage is applied to the bonded target (if it's an enemy of course)[/quote]

[quote=animorte][quote=Dufftime] Malady just blows so hard. It's not good on anybody. [/quote] Dufflogic is undeniable... /sarcasm You are correct about a lot of stuff most the time and you generally make a lot of sense, but you should not be so close-minded. [quote=Fox Rage] I side with Luigi. Karma is misunderstood and by far one of the most complex and hardest champ to play in the League. I believe Riot should buff [[Spirit Bond]] so that the damage is applied to the bonded target (if it's an enemy of course) [/quote] All of this, precisely.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]No really, Malady does just suck.[/quote]

[quote=animorte]I find that extremely difficult to believe since it allows me (as Kayle) to do almost the same amount of damage as a fully stacked Guinsoo's. I will play my way, because I know for a fact that it works.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Lugignaf] [quote=LaronX] Nike people don't even know how to play vs AP that you see all day. To assume that they even know how Karma works is a bit out of range :P [/quote] Agreed. If you're going in for a last hit on a ranged minion, chances are that a melee minion close to you is available for shield bombing. If you're off to the side, I can usually Q you easy. Sometimes, even tag you with the bond. Truth is, I can pull about 100 different tactics on you on a whim. Don't forget that we're talking about one of the most complex champions in the league. And on the "it's hard to shield instant spells like [[transfusion]]" thing, I have shielded [[siphon of destruction]] which is even more difficult since it's a pretty big range too. There's also no aggro indicator on Morde if he's casting it in your direction. So, it's all about reaction time I guess. [/quote] I'm not saying that she isn't strong or anything. I just think it doesn't pay off to learn her that well because I think she doesn't win a lot of matchups. Also I think a lot of mages are just more useful in most teamcomps. Great pushers, hard cc and sustain just beat her eventually. [[Vladimir]] is a mix of all and is probably her hardest counter. [[Mordekaiser]] is also extremely strong.[/quote]

[quote=animorte]I am entirely aware that Malady has horrible AP for it's price, but if you can find another item with AP, attack speed, AND shreds the enemy's MR... I could understand.[/quote]