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Creator: Matt May 9, 2012 4:42am
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jhoijhoi wrote:

Creamy: The paged system is out. Too many people apparently didn't like it.




And people say I am a troll -,-

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ok ok plz carry me omg
i was only waiting for you to ask

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Too hot to be icecream.

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He looks like a hair gel advert on legs

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Icecreamy, with hair as slick and smooth as the ocean waves of Cocobana
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IceCreamy wrote:

And people say I am a troll -,-


You're a troll for as long as you aren't the one getting trolled :p
The troll must always win xD
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@jhoijhoi, Flash will take a look at the mastery borders.

@IceCreamy, I'm still confused lol... We don't have pages any more. We dropped pages. Are you saying you'd like to still break your guide up into pages, but have all those pages just show on one "actual" page, all together? So basically, you want sub-chapters?

@SFJake, the width of the discussion has barely changed at all, about 20 pixels at most, on the screens I have access to it is hard to even notice the difference. Just to test, I changed my resolution to 1024x768 on various monitors and loaded up both the old and new design. I see no difference. At that resolution I can see the entire width of the discussion, and more than half of the sidebar, almost exactly the same for both versions. Lastly, the number of users at a resolution that low is very small. Why are you running at such a low resolution? I'm sure you run into width issues on a lot of sites nowadays.

I do notice that you specifically used the word "forums" though, and this is your first post. So maybe you're actually referring to the forums... In which case, the forum width has not changed since the day we launched it and you're the first to say anything. I understand your issue with it but that is off topic for this thread, I recommend starting a new thread about that if it is a concern.

Your comment about item names missing is understandable. We'll give it some thought.

The new layout is only slightly bigger overall. On my screen, on the old layout the masteries are cut off partway through the third tier, on the new layout they are cut off partway through the second tier. Otherwise everything is visible the same as it was before. That's not a huge difference, I think you're just perceiving a difference because of new visuals, particularly in the ability sequence. Some elements are bigger, others are smaller. We are discussing some changes with this though.

Regarding the tooltips... Those are exactly as they have always been since we launched them. They were never instant, they always took 1 second. We do it this way so they won't distractingly popup as you are mousing around the site, and because their loading is deferred until you actually mouse over the item to prevent the server from getting hammered every time someone mouses around the site.

I feel like some of your complaints are about things that haven't even really changed, and you're just upset that it is a change to something you were used to. I hope you will put those sentiments aside and give this new design a chance. We are also still working on it, it is not final - nothing on MOBAFire is ever final. Rather than huffing and storming around, help us to improve it :)

@kin333x glad you like it! Regarding the long load times, most people have actually found the load times to be FASTER than before. We have taken steps to improve it. If you are taking 30 seconds to load a large build, something may be wrong on your end? I just loaded up jhoijhoi's "Making a Guide" guide, which is one of the largest on the site, and the page took 934ms to load initially, and less than 3s to load all of the images and elements, but I was able to start reading the page after 934ms. That is much improved over the old load times. Linking to the official site, that is off topic for this thread so I might recommend posting a separate thread suggesting it :)

@GrandmasterD, we felt the passive was less distracting that way, but still convenient. We are discussing some changes to this section though.

@Nyoike, we've abandoned multi-page guides for now. If it comes up again we can discuss options for it then :)
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Matt wrote:

@GrandmasterD, as I said above the passive is in the exact same place it was in the old design, and it's there because we felt it was less distracting that way, but still convenient. We are discussing some changes to this section though.

I could have sworn that the champion's passive was always on the top. That's the way it should be, I think. In game the abilities are listed from left to right: innate - Q - W - E - R, so it should read in that order from top to bottom as well. That's also the order that almost everyone uses in the guides themselves in the abilities section if they have one.

General feedback: Load times seem faster, Discussion tab is fantastic, new format seems fine overall. I rather liked the multi-page idea, though I realize this isn't the place to discuss it. I'm glad we're moving from the "team" separation to "build" separation.

Summoner spells still seem a tad out of place to me. I'd rather have them next to the runes, but I realize that might conflict with guides having like 8 types of runes in their cheatsheets.

Other than that I can't think of anything to complain about. :P
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PsiGuard is pretty right on the fact that it should be on top. You read from left to right, seeing the abilities that way. You see the innate at the bottom and it could be "confusing" for the new players to the game like, "Why is that on the bottom when it in the front in the game?"

Personally, I liked the old format. I really like the discussion tab at the top, helps a lot.
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Matt wrote:

@Nyoike, we've abandoned multi-page guides for now. If it comes up again we can discuss options for it then :)



I realized that you did, I was just suggesting as it seems quite a few people DID want it as well.
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Only you didn't want it Ny.










































Yes, I'm trying to guilt trip you.
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jhoijhoi wrote:

Only you didn't want it Ny.

Yes, I'm trying to guilt trip you.



lol, I know. I'm just trying to make everyone happy! (but I'm glad that I got pleased first >.>)
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You shouldn't be glad. The majority of the vets, dare I even say even the scouts and editors all liked the design.
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We didn't change our minds because of Nyoike, jhoijhoi, so reign in the wrath ;) It was our decision, if you want to be mad at anyone be mad at myself and FlashJ.
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