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Sheep Votes, worse then Troll Votes: Downvotes...

Creator: JunSupport March 22, 2011 12:35pm
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Hahaha xD
Searz I like to think that you are normal people like everyone else aswell, just maybe abit more reasonable in what you do in here ;)



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Yeap, let's hope we are ;)
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I like the idea of recommendations being linked to the Veteran's comments, since most vets post something more than "omg i went 900/-10/8 with thiz build", and even if the comment is about how you could 1v5 with this build, no masteries or runes required, it'd still be good to know.

On another note, maybe mandatory comments should be on a limitation thing. For example, only the first 100 votes can be mandatory comment, as a lot of fledgeling builds use it to keep people from instantly drowning their builds, but after a certain point, the build has enough votes where each vote will not affect it enough to move it greatly up and down the ranking tree. Thinking about it now, 100 is actually a good point, as any vote after that would move it 1% up or down, and each preceding vote would move it less, but after a major gameplay mechanic, it could still be moved by multiple votes. A good example of this would be Vladimir builds. Riot has a hard time deciding whether he's more effective building health or building AP (its kind of like Coke v Pepsi I've decided, everyone has their own tastes), and so one patch he may be better to be built health, and health builds rise up, and the next patch AP swings into power, and AP builds rise to the top. I think for a while there Dewo's own Vlad build was 4th on the list (not that I followed it religiously or anything XD). Anywho, its kind of getting long, so...

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+1 to recommends linking to comments
Mandatory comments on set limit, first 50-100 comments only
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Maybe just a good way to solve all this talk about vet recs is to just get vets to rec more then one good build? Seems to be a lot simpler and doesn't exclusively concentrate on 1 build...just saying. People who see a vet who recs a lot of guides will still go check out that guide just because he recced it, same with a vet who does not rec a lot of guides. IMO we need some sort of way to differentiate between that and make it so that vet recs aren't the sole reason people upvote or downvote or whatever. That has no doubt been said a billion times before.

Also, I would really really really like a character or word limit, that is something that encourages users who write comments in their upvote or downvote to actually put something, rather than 'adkfjl' -1 or +1. Something like 100 words or so would be nice...I am probably just nitpicking though.


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Nighthawk wrote:

Maybe just a good way to solve all this talk about vet recs is to just get vets to rec more then one good build? Seems to be a lot simpler and doesn't exclusively concentrate on 1 build...just saying. People who see a vet who recs a lot of guides will still go check out that guide just because he recced it, same with a vet who does not rec a lot of guides. IMO we need some sort of way to differentiate between that and make it so that vet recs aren't the sole reason people upvote or downvote or whatever. That has no doubt been said a billion times before.

Also, I would really really really like a character or word limit, that is something that encourages users who write comments in their upvote or downvote to actually put something, rather than 'adkfjl' -1 or +1. Something like 100 words or so would be nice...I am probably just nitpicking though.

I don't think it's Vet recs that are the sole reason why people upvote. If a guide gets a vet rec it means it deserves it right?

You can't set a word limit because it's not fair, you're forcing them to vote, not forcing them to write meaningful comments.
Another problem with a word limit is the increase of spam that would happen.
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Increase of Spam? I would've thought it would cut down on spam comments.

Vet recs arent the sole reason a guide is upvoted, but i've seen a vet comment/rec come up and within the next couple of hours have 6 'sheep' votes. For starting guides that aren't that popular, even if a vet does comment on the build or upvote it, it's unlikely to gain any popularity, and it will probably still get more troll votes then sheep votes.

TL;DR

New guides aren't upvoted enough to make up for the troll votes.


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most of the new guide suck tho

so "troll votes" could easily be replaced with "accurate negative votes"

and no one upvotes bad builds
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Nighthawk wrote:

Increase of Spam? I would've thought it would cut down on spam comments.


It would increase the spam. No one, EVER, wants a comment like this. -_-;

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Jet wrote:

most of the new guide suck tho

so "troll votes" could easily be replaced with "accurate negative votes"

and no one upvotes bad builds


Are you suggesting they'd be replaced with accurate negative votes WITH c2v requirement, or without?

Cause with, this is very rare. Which is why we have so many 90%+ Builds lately...
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JunSupport wrote:



Are you suggesting they'd be replaced with accurate negative votes WITH c2v requirement, or without?

Cause with, this is very rare. Which is why we have so many 90%+ Builds lately...

I think he's being sarcastic, but can't say for sure.
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I didn't read the 9 pages in between the first or the last, so I'll just stick with the last page because surely most topics have already been addressed.

First of all, let me give you a 100 word text:

"Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consetetur sadipscing elitr, sed diam nonumy eirmod tempor invidunt ut labore et dolore magna aliquyam erat, sed diam voluptua. At vero eos et accusam et justo duo dolores et ea rebum. Stet ****a kasd gubergren, no sea takimata sanctus est Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consetetur sadipscing elitr, sed diam nonumy eirmod tempor invidunt ut labore et dolore magna aliquyam erat, sed diam voluptua. At vero eos et accusam et justo duo dolores et ea rebum. Stet ****a kasd gubergren, no sea takimata sanctus est Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet."

If the guide IS good, then how will you give it a thumbs up? There won't be much to say about it, will there?

However, if it were a word limit on a thumbs down comment, in my opinion, it would make people provide a reason or constructive criticism. So this way, when the guide has C2V enabled, troll votes would not get it down, and if filled with spam it would be breaking the rules (is spamming against the rules?).

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