Major trouble playing as Ashe :(

[quote=The Overmyynd]Im truly sorry for being so negative, i probably could have phrased it better... But the opinion still stands. Im not saying there arent any good ashe's out there, i have seen them, but they are SO few and far between i dont take chances. If a games goes LONG enough an ashe with 2 Infinity Edges, Madreds Bloodrazor, Black Cleaver and Last Whisper is DEVASTATING (killed me as Noct in 3 BASIC ATTACKS (>.<), but as i said earlier, the build to make ashe good is SOOOOO DAMN EXPENSIVE it would HAVE to last the 85 minutes that game did... And yes, ATM Sivir is best AD carry, however she is challenging to master. Great long range harass and little to no mana problems while you poke make her very useful. HOWEVER.... if you want to run a "Kill Lane" with Ashe and Nunu, viable. SOOOOOO MUCH SLOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWW. @ Luther3000: Stop trolling man. Urgot and Kogmaw, i can see. @Zell: OK, the way you present Ashe in your post is that of a support, yet argue for her as an AD carry, makes no sense. Now, if you WANTED to run her strictly as a support, OK. Viable. The slow and stun to support the REAL AD carry could be done if played as a Kill Lane. HOWEVER as an AD Carry HERSELF, she is next to useless.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]Lol she was banned yesterday in TSM vs Dignitas and Chaox has been picking her and Urgot almost exclusively in scrims. If he's picking her that much there's a good reason. Some of us still remember the time when Ashe was considered the strongest AD carry in the game, and since then all she's had is a nerf to her ult CD and slow and buffs to her health, armour, mana and W. Also, '2 Infinity Edges, Madreds Bloodrazor, Black Cleaver and Last Whisper' is a horrible build.[/quote]

[quote=Wayne3100][quote=The Overmyynd]as an AD Carry HERSELF, she is next to useless.[/quote] Ehm.... That's not true. Not true at all, in fact. She's not really strong early (apart from her random crits ofc), but she's great mid/late because of her damage and her initiation with her ultimate. She's a fine pick right now, simple as that.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]Sivir also got nerfed fairly hard since I said she was the best earlier in this thread, I'd now say she's just fairly strong rather than the best.[/quote]

[quote=Taffy]Ashe was BANNED!? lol! Seriously? So they chose to ban her over someone like Rammus/Warwick etc? How funny :) I have a friend who plays Nunu, I'll ask him to lane with me at some point as Ashe and see how we can do with all the slowness. I played as Sivir the other night and oddly enough had to lane against Ashe. I'm not gonna lie, I absolutely obliterated her, she had no chance whatsoever to stop me going Q, auto attack, W, auto attack. Volley just didn't do enough and then I was able to farm content whilst she was scared to come near the creeps. Hold on, Sivir's been nerfed recently? I didn't notice that... what's changed? How would you guys deal with that as Ashe? I presume you'd ask for gank support? She had Saroka with her and I had Cho'Gath (lol, not the greatest support :P) and then I was solo for awhile after that.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]I don't think I've ever seen anyone ban Warwick. :P These were Sivir's changes: [quote] Boomerang Blade Damage reduced to 60/105/150/195/240 from 70/115/160/205/250 Bonus attack damage ratio reduced to 1.0 from 1.1 On The Hunt Movement speed bonus reduced to 20% from 25% Duration reduced to 10 from 15 [/quote] All you have to do in bot lane is try to stay alive and farm to late game. It's hard to get beaten badly enough that you can't farm at all unless you or your support are making mistakes and/or getting ganked constantly and no one's helping. I find it kinda hard to believe that Ashe/Soraka would lose so badly to Sivir/Cho without making some pretty big mistakes. Soraka makes it almost impossible to completely lose your lane.[/quote]

[quote=Taffy]I know, if someone had to said to me Cho + carry own Soraka + carry, i'd have told them to shut up, lol. I don't really know what they were doing. We kept focusing down Soraka and forcing her back, leaving Ashe incredibly exposed (Cho's stamp type move is great for stunning long enough to hit them with the boomerang) When did those Sivir changes take place then? I thought I read the last few patch notes but clearly didn't :P Ah man... I feel bad for abandoning Ashe. I always wanted to 'make her work' maybe i'll go back to her at some point... I just get so owned, lol.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]It was Feb 1st, which is actually quite a while before I said she was the strongest. Oh well. She's still good.[/quote]

[quote=The Overmyynd]A pro is a pro. I'm sure they could take an Ev and turn her into something scary. Phreak ran Lulu as a jungler for god's sake. My opinion still stands that she is not viable outside pro circuits. And early game dominance is key to late game dominance. If bot lane isn't scoring any kills or assists than the AD carry is going to be underpowered late game and rely on top and mid to carry. To get kills and assists the Jungler is going to have to pretty much live in bot lane, which means top isn't getting enough attention and is going to have to beast it by himself. Which defeats the purpose of BEING a CARRY. Luther, Wayne, I respect you guys alot, you offer lots of great advice, but my guess is Taffy is playing with the same people I am, and in our rank of players, good Ashe's simply don't exist, or are rare at best. I understand that you don't get to pro level without playing a character ALOT. So if Taffy wants to keep playing Ashe, she needs a really good support partner with a nice hard CC to help her get kills and do work and GET to that level of great Ashe. And as far as the "horrible build", it worked. That Ashe is the only reason they won the game. In general it may be horrible but it fit my team comp.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]That's not true, you don't have to get kills at all in lane on an AD to be strong later. It helps of course but as long as you farm and your opponent isn't getting fed you're doing your job. As far as junglers go bot lane is always the hardest to gank due to the fact that it's warded 24/7. Your only chances are usually ganking by running into the lane brush when it's pushed (which is often still warded) or diving at their tower (which is risky).[/quote]