Childbirth License

[quote=Ekki][quote=Lasoor]And yes, whether you like it or not abortion is scientifically murder. You are literally killing another living thing. It is alive when they kill it.[/quote]Well, murder is about killing a human being, not about killing "any living thing" (unless you're full-on vegan). Plus, if you're actually going to talk "scientifically", life/death is an arbitrary set of distinctions in which human faetuses without a functioning heart nor brain don't count as actually living (not because of the lack of functional brain/heart per se, but because they're biologically not different from an organ or a tumor). That said, I can't see a way to actually enforce abortions on parents "without a licence" without disregarding a good bunch of human rights.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]Murder is the [b][i]unlawful[/i][/b] killing of a person, usually premeditated. If it's legal, it is not murder, by definition. And this all assumes a fetus is a person, rather than simply human (those aren't the same thing).[/quote]

[quote=Janitsu]Idk why people have these "babies"... Real parasites those foetuses! Thank God I am infertile and therefore can't get pregnant![/quote]

[quote=Ekki][quote=The_Nameless_Bard]Murder is the [b][i]unlawful[/i][/b] killing of a person, usually premeditated. If it's legal, it is not murder, by definition.[/quote]Well, IDK how it works all over the world, but here in Argentina the Human Rights go above our own Constitution. And HHRR kinda say that under no circumstance killing a person/human can be legal (at least to my best knowledge). [quote=The_Nameless_Bard]And this all assumes a fetus is a person, rather than simply human (those aren't the same thing).[/quote]I'd want to know what would be that difference. I guess by what I understood that a fetus, while being a human being, is not a person if it lacks a functioning brain/heart. The discussion on abortions is nice but I'd like to hear some more on how to enforce the licenceless-childbirth "punishment". Like, that's the main concern that stems from the OP.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]In the US, killing can be legal, obviously, because it's still legal to kill someone as a punishment for their crimes. Also, in many places outside of the US, a person can choose to die and be assisted in that. In which case, the doctor has killed them, legally. If the killing is legal, it is, by definition, not murder. I hate that people throw that word around like it has no specific meaning. The moral rightness of the death is something else entirely. Generally one has to have a sense of self to be a "person" in a philosophical sense, which is why it's arguable whether a fetus is truly a person or not. It's really very hard to argue or prove, for either side, that a clump of cells (which is the general state when most abortions are performed in the US) has or hasn't as much sentience as its mother.[/quote]