AP Kog vs AP Ez?

[quote=tehAsian][quote=crossfire] If you're build AP your Q will act as a single target nuke. Meaning it will be doing the bulk of your damage when building AP. [/quote] Wat. Single target nukes do the bulk of your damage if you're AP? Does that mean you max [[charm]] first on [[ahri]]? [[arcane shift]] first on [[ezreal]]? Single target nuke =/= main damage skill for AP carries. Also, they have the exact same numbers, and the only thing you get off Q is attack speed, which is useless on AP Kog unless you're building AP/AS. E is superior to Q in every way. [quote=crossfire] While you could max E first assuming you go mid being able to hit multiple targets is pretty useless. [/quote] Hitting multiple targets is useless? Let me guess...because it pushes your lane? That's not a bad thing. In fact, it's GOOD if you can outpush the other laner, because it gives time to grab Wraiths/Blue/Wolves or gank, and taking jungle creeps makes you completely outlevel and outfarm the other mid laner. [quote=crossfire] It also costs more meaning you'll run out of mana. [/quote] If you're running OOM in mid then there's something wrong with how you play. You don't spam it every time it's up unless you WANT to push, and that doesn't happen very often. 2 [[doran's ring]] or Blue Buff will also supply enough regen to supply the occasional push. [quote=crossfire] AD kog is simply better as his skills were designed to be used AD. Q reduces armour, and W grants AA additional range. [/quote] Designed a way =/= better. [[leona]] was designed as a tank. She's [b]better[/b] as a support. And Q also reduces Magic Resist, and his ultimate scales better with AP.[/quote]

[quote=Vitigam]Ap [[Ezreal]] is so fun. But he has a very big issue, he is a HORIBBLE farmer. I am not talking aobut last hitting. He can't clear a wave for life. When there is a wave pushing hard on the tower, you won't barely make a difference. You have to rely on your passive to clear waves. That would be the biggiest issue with AP Ezreal. But he is so dam fun. And not to mention your Global Ult that is based of AP. Tons of damage. Ap Kog is strong, though i haven't tried it out yet.[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian]When I play AP [[ezreal]], I use my ult to farm and harass :P[/quote]

[quote=Vitigam]^ Lol, If I am not going for a kill in my lane, I randomly launch it to other lanes for free harras and potentionaly an assist lol[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]I just watched CLG-EU vs Navi on http://clgaming.net/live/5960-ipllol, snoopey just stomped the enemy team with ap-kog.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000][quote=NicknameMy] I just watched CLG-EU vs Navi on http://clgaming.net/live/5960-ipllol, snoopey just stomped the enemy team with ap-kog. [/quote] Guessing you mean Froggen. :P[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Hmm, yes :P But he shows that AP Kog is a competative viable pick.[/quote]

[quote=animorte]AP Ezreal is best as an assassin with his higher cooldowns. AD is extremely mobile with sustained damage. It doesn't really matter if you pick AD or AP on Kog. Still does a retarded amount of damage at exceptional range.[/quote]

[quote=crossfire]Alright I'm just going to drop maxing Q first and just argue that AP kog is less viable than AD kog [quote=tehAsian] Designed a way =/= better. [[Leona]] was designed as a tank. She's better as a support. And Q also reduces Magic Resist, and his ultimate scales better with AP. [/quote] Soo? Would you play [[Annie]] was designed AP would you play her AD? Generally what ever a character is designed to do they will be best a doing. For example would you build [[Akali]] as a tank? Maybe build AP [[Miss Fortune]]? I'm pretty sure riot at least has basic knowledge of how to play their game. Lets do some math here. Assuming a fight goes on for 25 Seconds, and you cast spells at any given chance, level 18, enemy has no armour or MR Kog with 2.0 AS, 287 AD, 12 Life Steal AA 14350 Q 780 W 861 E 520 R 15202.5 Total: 31713.5 Regen 1722 Kog with 355 AP, .965 AS, 100 AD AA 2412 Q 1525.5 W 217 E 508.5 R 15990 Total: 18241 Clearly you can see which one is superior? I used the stats from the top [url=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/kogmaw-right-click-and-win-58148]kog guide[/url] and the top AP [url=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/swagsurfin-ur-way-2-success-pt-2-kogmaw-ap-sniper-191405]kog guide[/url][/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]^ You just completely missed the point I'm afraid. Pure DPS calculations mean very little when you're talking about completely different roles and playstyles. You're using endgame build comparisons between an AD carry and an AP carry - did you really expect the AP to do more? The whole point of an AD carry is to do the highest sustained DPS in the game with lategame items. If you pick AP Kog, it's because you want ridiculous amounts of poke damage without directly engaging. Also, that AP Kog guide is horrible. Judging from Riot's recommended items for [[akali]] they have absolutely no idea how to play her, and the recommended items for [[kog'maw]] himself are way off too.[/quote]