Oh god Ryze.

[quote=DEWO]And why do you want it to stack anyway? You get it for survival + mana thing. Stacking nowdays takes 10mins so it is still possible to stack it :) Also you dont need AP at all, so you would just waste 860g on that blasting wand. Also 2x Cata = alot of boost while lvling since it is not passive UNIQUE. If you feel like game ending you can hurry RoA completing before Archangel.[/quote]

[quote=PotatisFarfar]My build right now is: Boots/Cata/cata/shroud/rod/rod/frozen/voidstaff Magic pen is really nice :o[/quote]

[quote=Searz]I know it's not unique, but it still feels like a waste to delay ROA.[/quote]

[quote=Trojan995][[catalyst the protector]]: 325 mana [[rod of ages]]: 925 mana w/ bonus difference: 600 mana [[glacial shroud]]: 425 mana [[frozen heart]]: 500 mana difference: 75 mana [[catalyst the protector]]: 325 mana [[banshee's veil]]: 375 mana difference: 50 mana [[tear of the goddess]]: 2350 mana w/ bonus [[archangel's staff]]: 2400 mana w/ bonus difference: 50 mana [[sapphire crystal]]: 200 mana [[sheen]]: 250 mana [[lich bane]]: 350 mana difference: 150 mana I thought it was obvious why we upgrade RoA first and leave everything else until later. The reason I took the difference between sapphire crystal and lich bane is because sheen doesn't give much more mana for the cost, and the mana is the only useful thing when upgrading.[/quote]

[quote=DEWO]Stacking Tear takes the longest time. Even with the new ryze it will take a while so even if you plan to do a staff laaaaate, it is a good idea to get this asap. imho.[/quote]

[quote=Freki]why not start with tear, then swap for shroud, banshee. RoA looks really expensive to me. 9/7/14 for masteries ?[/quote]

[quote=Trojan995]The reason I said get [[tear of the goddess]] last is because [[rod of ages]], [[glacial shroud]], and [[catalyst the protector]] (later built into [[banshee's veil]]) all give survivability, while [[tear of the goddess]] only gives mana and MP5. So in effect, get a tear is good for early game damage, but it'll make you much squishier. I think if you want to get it early, only get it after [[rod of ages]].[/quote]

[quote=caucheka]idk about you but if you're going to grab an archangels, i always grab the tear FIRST. then after that i can grab my other stuff. i think this is also the first champion where you should have all the recommended items.[/quote]

[quote=Fragamacrunch]I've been starting with a sapphire crystal, and then if I'm doing well in the lane I build a tear, to start stacking mana. If I'm doing poorly, I buy a Catalyst to get some survivability. I then decide from there what would work best at any one time, like if they are very physical I might buy a glacial shroud before anything else. The new Ryze is very versatile and can be built in so many different ways, and that's a big part of why I really like him.[/quote]

[quote=Searz]All casters can be built like this. This is nothing specific for Ryze only, it's just that he benefits extra much from it.[/quote]