Phantom Dancer (PD) vs. Infinity Edge (IE)

[quote=DuffTime]I'm surprised the discussion even needs to happen tbh lol.[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]But that's what happens, someone has an idea, and then makes a mistake, and rather than just not press their fingers to the keys (or open their mouth) they do, and then we have these kinds of things happening because of it. Simple solution? Cut off their hands.[/quote]

[quote=UknowsI][quote=timesource1] Btw does anyone know where the makers of LOL keep like a database on the maths? I'd really love to compute the items instead of just randomly guessing which item is the best. [/quote] I hope it's not against the rules to link to competing sites, but the LeagueCraft champion builder is in my opinion the easiest way to compare two item builds. You can put in all the masteries and runes, so everything is taken into account, and they even calculate your AA DPS for you. http://leaguecraft.com/builder/Caitlyn/ According to them, a Caitlyn at level 12 with 21 in offensive masteries, berserkers and IE does 265 DPS while PD would do 173, which fits very well with what lifebaka has been telling us.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=UknowsI] I hope it's not against the rules to link to competing sites, but the LeagueCraft champion builder is in my opinion the easiest way to compare two item builds.[/quote] I'd be banned by now if it were :s.[/quote]

[quote=CasterMaster][[infinity edge]] is almost always better (other then [[b.f sword]] followed by [[zeal]])[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=Temzilla] [quote=UknowsI] I hope it's not against the rules to link to competing sites, but the LeagueCraft champion builder is in my opinion the easiest way to compare two item builds.[/quote] I'd be banned by now if it were :s. [/quote] lmfao[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=CasterMaster] [[infinity edge]] is almost always better (other then [[b.f sword]] followed by [[zeal]]) [/quote] [[Kennen]]: [url=http://leaguecraft.com/builder/Kennen/?items=83,13,48,3&runes=64,64,64,64,64,64,64,64,64,63,63,63,63,63,63,63,63,63,57,57,57,57,57,57,57,57,57,54,54,54&masteries=0202400410310030101304001000000000000000000000000&level=18]B.F. Sword + Zeal + Pickaxe[/url] vs [url=http://leaguecraft.com/builder/Kennen/?items=83,60&runes=64,64,64,64,64,64,64,64,64,63,63,63,63,63,63,63,63,63,57,57,57,57,57,57,57,57,57,54,54,54&masteries=0202400410310030101304001000000000000000000000000&level=18]I.E.[/url] (10g difference) Attack speed runes. I.E. Attack Speed: 1.505 Damage per Attack: 284 Damage per Second: 428 B.F. Sword Zeal Attacks Speed: 1.644 Damage per Attack: 212 Damage per Second: 349 I.E. wins by ~23%, and 34% on single attack damage (kiting deeps) [[Sivir]]: [url=http://leaguecraft.com/builder/Sivir/?items=83,13,48,3&runes=38,38,38,38,38,38,38,38,38,63,63,63,63,63,63,63,63,63,57,57,57,57,57,57,57,57,57,10,10,10&masteries=0202400410310030101304001000000000000000000000000&level=18]B.F. Sword + Zeal + Pickaxe[/url] vs [url=http://leaguecraft.com/builder/Sivir/?items=83,60&runes=38,38,38,38,38,38,38,38,38,63,63,63,63,63,63,63,63,63,57,57,57,57,57,57,57,57,57,10,10,10&masteries=0202400410310030101304001000000000000000000000000&level=18]I.E.[/url] AD Marks/Quints I.E. Attack Speed: 1.287 Damage per Attack: 284 Damage per Second: 382 B.F. Sword Zeal Attacks Speed: 1.418 Damage per Attack: 222 Damage per Second: 315 I.E. wins by ~21%, and 28% on damage per attack. [[Graves]]: [url=http://leaguecraft.com/builder/Graves/?items=83,13,48,3&runes=38,38,38,38,38,38,38,38,38,63,63,63,63,63,63,63,63,63,57,57,57,57,57,57,57,57,57,10,10,10&masteries=0202400410310030101304001000000000000000000000000&level=18]B.F. Sword + Zeal + Pickaxe[/url] vs [url=http://leaguecraft.com/builder/Graves/?items=83,60&runes=38,38,38,38,38,38,38,38,38,63,63,63,63,63,63,63,63,63,57,57,57,57,57,57,57,57,57,10,10,10&masteries=0202400410310030101304001000000000000000000000000&level=18]I.E.[/url] AD Marks/Quints I.E. Attack Speed: 1.174 Damage per Attack: 301 Damage per Second: 354 B.F. Sword Zeal Attacks Speed: 1.301 Damage per Attack: 225 Damage per Second: 294 I.E. wins by 20%, and 33% on damage per attack. I picked Kennen, Sivir, and Graves to show that attack speed scaling doesn't really make enough different to push zeal into a better position. TL;DR: I.E. is better than Zeal+B.F. Sword, by a significant amount, no matter who you are. Edit: If i can get enough of these cool item comparisons, i can make a guide to ad carries showing that B.F. Sword > Vamp Scepter > IE > PD > LW > BT is the most efficient AD Carry build through math. It's a lot of work though, so i don't really want to just make it without a little bit more research.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]I personally like to pick up the zeal before the I.E. o:[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]Stack dorans farm all day sell dorans buy ie continue to farm.[/quote]

[quote=Slappiz][quote=Lugignaf] I'd prefer BF sword->Zeal->IE->PD Cait needs end game items [b]fast[/b]. Her endgame is arguably worse than most other AD carries. [/quote] But her range compensate for that imo, she is by far the most easy AD-carry to position in team fights.[/quote]