The Brand Theorycraft Thread

[quote=Searz]And MAYBE 2 on Ryze.[/quote]

[quote=Flubadoo][quote=EvilDice] [quote=Flubadoo] You're forgetting the fact that a decent player can dodge it 50% of the time. Not only that, but the mana cost is MASSIVE. You're basically paying an extremely high price and high risk for a slightly better reward. Conflagration, on the other hand, costs much less mana for only 10 damage less. That's not the most important thing though. It INSTANTLY sets an enemy on fire, and it cannot miss. With conflagration, you're paying less at a very low risk for a good reward (10 damage isn't much, btw). [/quote] A few things you overlook here: 1) W has a longer range. IMO this can make it EASIER to land as most players I have laned against know to stay out of range of conflag. Actually the range of conflag seems quite underwhelming IMO. 2) W has a (marginally) larger AP ratio. 3) When ignited, W does 30% more damage... 10 damage difference? 4) Whether you max conflag first or last, it is always going to instantly ignite someone.. That's no reason to skill it... 5) Early game without boots, dodging W is very difficult. If you aim it smartly you are going to land it. Late game the last thing the enemies are thinking in teamfights are "oh, he's going to W me so I'd better get out of the way". [/quote] Obviously W is his nuke mid-lategame, but I'm talking about taking the first ability. The target needs to be ignited to get 25% damage increase. Level one, you can't get that.[/quote]

[quote=EvilDice]Oh, we are talking about his first level? I was talking about what skill you max first in reply to this: [quote=Jebus McAzn] Skilling I'm not sure yet, but I'd either max E or W first. Q, being a skillshot, isn't reliable enough. [/quote] Yeah.. I get E at level 1 too lol.[/quote]

[quote=TheWorldAsunder]Through the laning phase, I'd rather get Q to like level 3 first. That thing is such an amazing poke. Sustained mana cost, high damage + his passive? What? And Yes, I know it's not reliable harass if they stand behind the creep wave, but you can use that to your advantage once you get W and E. They have to stand somewhere to dodge your Q, limit their space with W. :/ Though honestly. When ranking your skills up for the first few levels: Q gives you: significantly more damage Faster Cooldown W gives: A bit more damage (Not too much) Increased mana cost. E gives: Cooldown mana cost negligable increase a bit more damage. Think about it. A skill that scales well on damage AND cooldown is pretty much always worth taking > something that increases drastically in mana cost through the laning phase. Once you leave lane, feel free to max W. But not leveling up Q while still laning is meh.[/quote]

[quote=Flubadoo][quote=TheWorldAsunder] Through the laning phase, I'd rather get Q to like level 3 first. That thing is such an amazing poke. Sustained mana cost, high damage + his passive? What? And Yes, I know it's not reliable harass if they stand behind the creep wave, but you can use that to your advantage once you get W and E. They have to stand somewhere to dodge your Q, limit their space with W. :/ Though honestly. When ranking your skills up for the first few levels: Q gives you: significantly more damage Faster Cooldown W gives: A bit more damage (Not too much) Increased mana cost. E gives: Cooldown mana cost negligable increase a bit more damage. Think about it. A skill that scales well on damage AND cooldown is pretty much always worth taking > something that increases drastically in mana cost through the laning phase. Once you leave lane, feel free to max W. But not leveling up Q while still laning is meh. [/quote] That's exactly what I thought. Although i focus more on E, I don't really level W that much until roaming phase/mid-ish game.[/quote]