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The Brand Theorycraft Thread

Creator: Jebus McAzn April 12, 2011 7:10pm
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@EvilDice:

Define "getting my damage fast enough."

Because outside of rushing a Zhonya or Deathcap, what's significantly stronger then a Morello's?
75 AP is a solid number. o_0
If you got it before Sorcerer's Shoes, that may explain a bit.

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Setting up for AD Carries is dependent on the team. I'm sticking to maximizing my own contributions.
If I can't nuke, less chance AD Carry can get fed either.

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I'm thinking Teleport. I like Teleport. ^^
He has amazing farming potential, so he'd make a good pusher.

Flash for basic escapes, although Ignite is tempting since seeing an enemy escape with 100 HP is never fun.
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If you force them to buy a Negatron Cloak early, you're doing a good job setting the late game up for your AD carry to dominate. :)

What are your opinions on summoner spells? Personally I say Flash/Ignite because, like Annie, his potential to instagib enemies is huge. Ghost/Ignite and Ghost/Flash are also viable, I guess.

I run ghost+ignite atm.. Even though his damage is huge it feels like his spells cast too slow at the moment to get instagib burst like annie and veigar. It's just slightly slower.

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@EvilDice:

Define "getting my damage fast enough."

Because outside of rushing a Zhonya or Deathcap, what's significantly stronger then a Morello's?
75 AP is a solid number. o_0
If you got it before Sorcerer's Shoes, that may explain a bit.

Nothing in that price tier is significantly stronger, however a Deathcap gives 200 AP(I think.. the passive stacks with itself right?) right out of the box... Which is quite a bit more than 75 :P. I just feel if I want to rush something I'm gonna rush something that gives me a ****load of damage.

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His AP ratios are not very good, I had about 400 AP my individual skills did not do much damage, on the other hand my combo can easily kill on to two people(If I have ult)

W+Wait(For Maximum amount of Ablaze)+E+Wait(For Maximum amount of Ablaze)+Q+R

Rinse and Repeat :)

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Skrallz wrote:

His AP ratios are not very good


Hmm, so Abyssal Scepter and maybe Void Staff > Deathcap.
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I'm thinking basic mage build. Rod of Ages and Rabadons :D So simple yet so good.
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I'd love to comment with some experience, but game crashed about 2 minutes after I bought him and I haven't been in since... :(

That being said, his AP scaling ratios are gonna determine a lot of this, but if I were theorizing, I'm gonna say he get's built.

Tear (if mana really a prob)???
Sorc Shoes
RoA
Rabadon's
then some combo of Rylai's/Hourglass and
Frozen Heart for survivability/CDR??? (Also, for irony)
DFG for tanks?

I'm curious about his viability with Spell Vamp with all the DoT...that would make Will of the Ancients look real nice.
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Mana really only becomes a problem when you're really getting fed. Starting with a Catalyst is really the best move. He runs out of mana really fast in battle. You don't need much CDR. Get DFG just for the CDR to bring your Q to under the "ignite" duration. Buffs are easy enough for him to grab. I did a custom match to check all his skills. Just for the hell of it, took Ignite and Flash. His skills combine with Ignite really well for a quick kill then an even faster death.
I'm still not sure about the order all together though.


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Hmm, so maybe...

Catalyst
Codex
RoA
Deathcap
Morello

then Abyssal and Zhonya based on enemies.
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Depends on the range on Abyssal's Aura, Brand doesn't seem like the type to stay close to his group of enemies, so If the Aura isn't as big as the length of his E then it's a bit of a miss.

Early Catalyst and Tear seem pretty good choices cuz they can go to Archangel's and Banshee's. I would also go for Rylai's because it can be a nice AoE slow for escaping in a pinch (not a great deal, but useful nonetheless).
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At 40% CDR, his W is at a whopping 6 seconds, and his ulti goes down to 45 seconds. You definitely want to put a Morello's/Mejai's on that build along with CDR blues.

Here's my current build with him:

MPen reds
MP5 yellows
CDR blues
1 Flat Health quint
2 Flat AP quints

Meki Pendant + 2 HPots -> Boots -> Tear of the Goddess -> Archangel Staff
Void Staff (Mainly for the MPen for his passive) or Banshee's Veil
Mejai's Soulstealer/Morello's Evil Tome/Deathfire Grasp
Rabadon's Deathcap
Rylai's Crystal Scepter (I feel like he needs this for the slow procs, especially in teamfights where it's hard to land your Q on a specific target)


I noticed in bot games against Shen and Renekton that they could just dash into you to break your combo, especially Shen. Running slightly backwards after hitting your E could help land your Q safer.

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