Metashift slowly incoming?

[quote=FalseoGod]So if you guys have been following PBE + Surrender@20 around (if not, go to www.surrenderat20.net and read the latest news, I'm kinda lazy to copy everything but I'll tl;dr it in spoilers), there's been quite [b]a lot[/b] of tinkering with various assassins. More, [[deathfire grasp]] is being eliminated as well. What it feels like is that riot wants to tone down assassins, in some cases give them more counterplay (in others I can't consider that a nerf). What I'm asking is, if this tendency keeps up (or if these changes themselves come to pass), do you think this will affect the game a lot? Perhaps will start seeing more of [[xerath]], [[orianna]], [[ziggs]] (cannot say "see more of [[azir]] since we all see him every draft...under "bans") as well as hypercarries like kog/twitch? I do realize the [[zed]] nerfs are as much of a joke as the [[janna]] ones, and that [[leblanc]] is still up and dominant, but I feel like these changes will afect the game a lot. Also [[nidalee]] jungle (which was already being done), is getting a buff: monsters can get the Hunt debuff. Expecting to see her more on that role. tl;dr of the changes bellow: [spoiler][[katarina]]: Q first bounce a bit less damage, consecutive bounces more damage, W more damage (, E no damage, fixed cooldown at 15 seconds with 80% refund if cast on a champion. Gives more resistances (from 10-30% reduced damage depending on E rank) [[akali]]: [[shadow dance]] range reduced from 800 > 700, E no longer triggers Q; [[fizz]]: I think Q deals less damage and has lesser ratio, W passive less damage but active more damage (or better scaling), loses grievous wounds, ult augments his damage by 20% for 6 seconds; [[ahri]]: (not an assassin now fosho) - No dfg, [[charm]] doesn't augment damage but got more damage at late ranks, Q gives MS while orb travels [[zed]]: Less attack speed and attack speed/level. Pls. [/spoiler][/quote]

[quote=Ellodere]This will definitely impact the game, you have to think how much the removal of dfg will affect ap assasin's and mages overall who bough dfg as a part of their standard build. This will open up for lots of new things and it will also impact the builds of apc's and what champions to pick when going mid(just like you mentioned, we could see kog'maw at midlane again where we once saw him being played some years ago (I think it was around S2/S3?). The zed nerf is not really a joke, because attack speed and attack speed/level do increase the damage output through the course of some seconds (I don't think champions who aren't autoattack champions would want to have 0.0000001 attack speed, they would deal less damage). That's why the zed nerf is in some sense good, but zed will still be really strong even after nerfing his attack speed. The rest of these updates are in my opinion one of the coolest I've seen (especially the MS boost from ahri's Q).[/quote]

[quote=Zordagoth]Yay [[nidalee]] jungle hype !! Note that it suits her "hunter / predator" lore really good if you ask me[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod]I meant twitch/kog as adcs. As for the Zed nerf, I get it but I don't think it hits anywhere near the core of his strengths.[/quote]

[quote=Ellodere][quote=FalseoGod]I meant twitch/kog as adcs. As for the Zed nerf, I get it but I don't think it hits anywhere near the core of his strengths.[/quote] Well, that too, but I think kog'maw could be played on mid considering he has a high range which allows him to stay out of people's faces, and I think I'm gonna try him out later this year and see if I could do a build that is based upon that specific ability to stay out of range and still manage to shoot people with snort coming out from kog'maw's mouth. That's really one of the things I think this update will allow to be more viable. The thing you said about zed is spot on.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy][[fizz]], the next [[kha'zix]].[/quote]

[quote=Joxuu]The meta has slowly shifted towards late game but I can't imagine [[twitch]] or [[kog'maw]] being picked quite yet. [[twitch]] popularity suffered a bit because of [[kalista]] release and generally just the current tier 1 ADC's would win the lane too hard. You would need to rely too much on your support/jungle which you can't really do in soloQ. Especially [[graves]] hype is like poison for late game ADC's like [[twitch]] / [[kog'maw]]. I play both, [[twitch]] and [[kog'maw]] regularly but when I have a "not so good" support or I just too far behind cus misplays and I can't do anything before 40th minute, I always think back why I didn't pick [[graves]] or something.[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark][quote=Joxuu]The meta has slowly shifted towards late game but I can't imagine [[twitch]] or [[kog'maw]] being picked quite yet. [[twitch]] popularity suffered a bit because of [[kalista]] release and generally just the current tier 1 ADC's would win the lane too hard. You would need to rely too much on your support/jungle which you can't really do in soloQ. Especially [[graves]] hype is like poison for late game ADC's like [[twitch]] / [[kog'maw]]. I play both, [[twitch]] and [[kog'maw]] regularly but when I have a "not so good" support or I just too far behind cus misplays and I can't do anything before 40th minute, I always think back why I didn't pick [[graves]] or something.[/quote] Twitch is my favourite ADC, but I'm too scared to pick him while his laning phase is so weak. ;-;[/quote]

[quote=Slappiz]I don't mind DFG being removed. Being able to 1 shot a champion and then turn golden if you end up in a bad spot seems stupid to me. This will also make supporting and keeping teammates alive so much easier. <3 Akali nerfs![/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy][[Fizz]] is now a perfect bruiser: [[nimble fighter]] + [[thornmail]] means the enemy ADC can just kill himself. 2 ways of closing the gap and able to dodge a lot of CC, combined with a slow to stick to people. With [[blade of the ruined king]] always deals 8% of the enemy max hp as damage. His ultimate means you deal 9.6% of the enemy max hp as damage.[/quote]