Is Zyra Viable?

[quote=XeresAce]She does a shit ton of damage but is too squishy to do anything and her CC is too weak considering the setup it needs to actually hit. I wouldn't say she's viable right now. If she got a movespeed buff and some extra health or a way to not get absolutely destroyed if you wander 1 mm away from your team then she might be viable again[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][[Zyra]] isn't great. You might as well play [[Karma]] or [[Vel'koz]] support instead, imo.[/quote]

[quote=Thalia Kael]I like Brand and Leblanc support as well for the damage support role[/quote]

[quote=Slappiz]I've been playing her with 20 magic pen from runes (marks, quints and glyphs with armor seals) lately and maxing E first. Seems to work for me in normal games against diamond players at least. Probably gonna pick [[Zyra]] if I for some reason can't play [[Janna]] support in ranked.[/quote]

[quote=Sirnikolai][[Zyra]]she's extremely squishy so in your runes have Health regen & just plain AP, so you can easily get a death from the grave. I got a triple kill from the grave in ARAM, but it will NOT count as a kill mind you. Her role is massive poking early lane in SR WARD Properly KNOW THE GANKS. Builds MUST include 1 Colddown reduction.[/quote]

[quote=Blian]if they could finally reduce the delay on her ultimate that would be great..[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=Sirnikolai][[Zyra]]she's extremely squishy so in your runes have Health regen & just plain AP, so you can easily get a death from the grave.[/quote]You should use the same runes you'd use on any AP support or a set-up that favors mpen over AP if you prefer it. Health regen won't make you tankier, health and armor will. [quote]I got a triple kill from the grave in ARAM, but it will NOT count as a kill mind you.[/quote]If you actually get the kill it will, but you have to actually finish them off entirely or be the last person to deal damage to a target to get the kill, just like when you're alive. [quote]Her role is massive poking early lane in SR WARD Properly KNOW THE GANKS. Builds MUST include 1 Colddown reduction.[/quote]It's important to note that the CDR options on her are fewer than on many of the more utility based supports. [[Frost Queen's Claim]] is often considered core and other options are mostly things like [[Morellonomicon]], [[Twin Shadows]], and [[Mikael's Crucible]] unless you're behind afaik.[/quote]

[quote=utopus]One thing that is often overlooked with [[zyra]] is her early game vision control. She can control lane brush quite easily; Additionally, she can plant a seed in the bot lane tri brush / river brush for some free, extra lane safety early game before she gets her [[sightstone]][/quote]

[quote=MungoGeri][quote=The_Nameless_Bard]It's important to note that the CDR options on her are fewer than on many of the more utility based supports. [[Frost Queen's Claim]] is often considered core and other options are mostly things like [[Morellonomicon]], [[Twin Shadows]], and [[Mikael's Crucible]] unless you're behind afaik.[/quote] She gets 10% CDR from her W, so you only need 30% CDR from everything else. I usually get 15% scaling CDR from runes, 5% from masteries, and 10% from [[frost queen's claim]].[/quote]

[quote=Sirnikolai][quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=Sirnikolai][[Zyra]]she's extremely squishy so in your runes have Health regen & just plain AP, so you can easily get a death from the grave.[/quote]You should use the same runes you'd use on any AP support or a set-up that favors mpen over AP if you prefer it. Health regen won't make you tankier, health and armor will. [quote]I got a triple kill from the grave in ARAM, but it will NOT count as a kill mind you.[/quote]If you actually get the kill it will, but you have to actually finish them off entirely or be the last person to deal damage to a target to get the kill, just like when you're alive. [quote]Her role is massive poking early lane in SR WARD Properly KNOW THE GANKS. Builds MUST include 1 Colddown reduction.[/quote]It's important to note that the CDR options on her are fewer than on many of the more utility based supports. [[Frost Queen's Claim]] is often considered core and other options are mostly things like [[Morellonomicon]], [[Twin Shadows]], and [[Mikael's Crucible]] unless you're behind afaik.[/quote] She's extremely squishy so armor wouldn't do as much as MR is needed more of. Her main focus is too prevent ganks against team attacks, so you must plant her seeds according & CORRECTLY. I do play her more than most, even against bots her passive which I KNOW if it kills the enemy the kill sometimes won't count in Aram it was different my two plants were still alive while usin my ult before i died & then my passive got the triple kill.[/quote]