"I can beat everyone." - Piglet,...

[quote=BigBoxGamer]How about this situation? You have more damage than your opponent, and you're clearly doing more damage than them. But, they have CC and just kill you before you can use any of your superior damage? Damage output is worthless unless you can secure. Damage output is situational, a kill is a definitive, therefore kill > damage output.[/quote]

[quote=Embracing]I'm not saying that you should be attacking whenever you fucking can LOL. I'm saying that you should be attacking whenever you can with the end result of winning the teamfight (which, most of the times, means not dying). That's the whole point of an ADC. The fact that you did less damage than your own [[zed]] with an absurd KDA simply means you didn't do enough damage when you could've. With more kills, you have more item advantages, meaning each one of your abilities / autos would do more damage. The fact that you still did less damage than your [[zed]] shows that even with such an advantage in damage you didn't use it to its full extent, which is a point of improvement, yet you do not see that.[/quote]

[quote=BigBoxGamer]I had to play to the situation, and that was. "Hey, the AD Carry is fed, let's get Trundle fed too to negate our advantage."[/quote]

[quote=utopus]Actually, the situation was, "Hey, I'm fed! Let's not get [[last whisper]] to negate any and all advantage that I have over [[trundle]]" [quote=BigBoxGamer]Damage output is worthless unless you can secure. Damage output is situational, a kill is a definitive, therefore kill > damage output.[/quote] When I play [[xerath]], I don't end up getting a lot of kills, but I usually end up dealing a lot of damage to my opponents. Doing this will force them to recall, and leave objectives like dragon, towers, etc available to taking since you can force a numbers advantage. Damage output is still pretty damn important[/quote]

[quote=BigBoxGamer]I didn't need it.[/quote]

[quote=Embracing]Lvl 18 Talon: Thornmail, Nasus: Thornmail + Iceborn, Trundle: Thornmail + Tabi 86.4+100, 84.4+160, 73.4+125 & 10% auto damage reduction + trundle ult That's around 200 armor for each target, with [[trundle]] having probably around 250~300 with his ult.[/quote]

[quote=Thalia Kael]You needed it.[/quote]

[quote=BigBoxGamer]Considering how fast Trundle kept getting blown up, I didn't need it.[/quote]

[quote=Embracing]Look who won the game! Maybe ya know, he could've been getting blown up even FASTER and you could've won the game? BOTRK doesn't give you more damage than LW does - you realize that right?[/quote]

[quote=sirell]Kills are pretty situational too. It's like perpetually chasing a [[singed]] or a [[nidalee]] or an [[ezreal]] and they just kite you for decades whilst dealing damage to you. You can eventually get the kill on them, but they'll get enough damage on you that you can't secure any other objectives with them. In this case, damage output > kills. The enemy team gets a kill, but is denied objectives. But the point you seem to be missing is that how likely you are to get a kill (as a marksman) is defined solely by how much damage you can output. That's the role of the ADC. If you can't kill anything as an ADC, then you're pretty useless to the team come teamfights. The threat of damage is also a great deterrent against unwanted engages.[/quote]