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[quote=Embracing]With 21 kills you somehow had less damage than your Zed, enemy talon, and enemy Trundle. That shows you're missing out on a large amount of potential damage output. And please where's the last whisper? With how fed you were IE --> PD --> BT/BOTRK --> LW would've been fine Otherwise you normally want IE --> PD --> LW against multiple tanks[/quote]

[quote=BigBoxGamer]To be fair, the Trundle has 32 kills because people were just walking straight into him like a meat grinder. There's a reason they all died 10 times, or more except me. And, that massive gold lead we had was mostly me. The full situation with that is I spent most of my time having to win my lane, and win the mid lane and having to try and keep all the lanes pushed. As noted above, they just kept running into Trundle's mouth. Didn't need it. None of their tanks had Frozen Heart, and they didn't have enough of a tank build for Thormail to make a difference.[/quote]

[quote=IPodPulse][quote=BigBoxGamer]To be fair, the Trundle has 32 kills because people were just walking straight into him like a meat grinder. There's a reason they all died 10 times, or more except me. And, that massive gold lead we had was mostly me. The full situation with that is I spent most of my time having to win my lane, and win the mid lane and having to try and keep all the lanes pushed. As noted above, they just kept running into Trundle's mouth. Didn't need it. None of their tanks had Frozen Heart, and they didn't have enough of a tank build for Thormail to make a difference.[/quote] You are severely underestimating the power of Last Whisper. It isn't something to get for just tanks it is something to get all the time, especially when playing AD champs. Looking at that game 3 of them had Thornmail and 1 had an Iceborn Gauntlet. You would practically be killing yourself when you would attack them, your Botrk was for the most part useless.[/quote]

[quote=BigBoxGamer]It didn't seem that way, a lot of my kills came in the late game while they had Thornmail. I don't think it would have made much of a difference, I understand it's strength. I still don't think it was needed.[/quote]

[quote=Fat_fast]I'm of the opinion this shouldn't be even debatable, LW is necessary. Though that amount of MR and a rage pot should more than compensate all the thorn mail, furthermore itemization should be flexible and adaptive to the need of the game. Therefore I think it's fine, last 10 minute ditch effort to get tanky isn't something you should worry about.[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard]Keep in mind that champions gain armor per level many top lane tanks run armor/lvl runes. Even with just one armor item late game, your damage is going to get cut pretty significantly. Don't just think of [[Last Whisper]] as adding on to your damage versus tanks. Think of it as a damage amplification that's essential versus armored targets. Even against low and moderate amounts of armor, it amplifies the other damage items you've built up, often more than you'd get from building a new flat damage item.[/quote]

[quote=Thalia Kael]Furthermore, they don't look like they had much health on their team so you could have easily replaced BotRK with LW. I'm not a Quinn expert though, so maybe BotRK is necessary, idk. But seriously if you're playing an AD damage-focused champion LW is a must every game. You should always be getting it 3rd or 4th item at the latest on an ADC whether or not they're stacking armour. And I'm sure 90% of the 11k magic damage you took that game was from the triple thornmail, you shouldn't underestimate it. Lastly you can't say they didn't have enough armour to justify buying a Last Whisper when THREE PEOPLE have a thornmail and you had more than enough gold to afford one. Also this is not necessary but if you're as rich as that you can sell your boots for a Zephyr if you want. And you should sell your GA for another item while the passive is down (not sure if you did it or not, just giving this as a tip). EDIT: Forgot to add that you shouldn't expect to be able to hard carry against lategame monsters like Nasus Trundle and Tristana with Quinn in my opinion.[/quote]

[quote=BigBoxGamer]It wouldn't have mattered who I played, or build at the end of the day. All of my teammates died ten, or more times.[/quote]

[quote=Thalia Kael]I'm pretty sure I could have done it with Jinx, the Trundle would have died really quickly and he looks like the only half-decent player on their team[/quote]

[quote=BigBoxGamer]Trundle was dying quick, but it didn't matter, no one can carry players that bad.[/quote]