Infinite Mana Reaver

[quote=ThePreserver]Alright, so I have this habit of slapping an [[Essence Reaver]] on tons of champs that don't normally build one, simply because of the infinite mana sustain it gives certain champions. So far, I've built it on [[Fiora]], [[Nasus]], [[Sivir]], and [[Twisted Fate]], to great effect. The champs of those that seem to benefit the most are those that regularly run out of mana (Susan and Baguette) and the item gives a really high damage output and some lifesteal on top of it. I rush this thing against ranged champs and rush [[Ionian Boots of Lucidity]] when up against melee champs. What do you think of it? I almost never see anyone build this item on the champs who could get the most use out of it. This combined with CDR and scaling hp regen is almost infinite sustain in lanes.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]I'm not sure why you would build [[Essence Reaver]] on those champions. They need so many other items, especially TF, since he's hardly ever an AD champ. Fiora needs Tiamat, Nasus needs Sheen and TF just needs AP.[/quote]

[quote=TheSilverDust]Is [[essence reaver]] good on [[urgot]]? Just askin'[/quote]

[quote=ThePreserver][quote=Lugignaf]I'm not sure why you would build [[Essence Reaver]] on those champions. They need so many other items, especially TF, since he's hardly ever an AD champ. Fiora needs Tiamat, Nasus needs Sheen and TF just needs AP.[/quote] On [[Fiora]], I go [[Ionian Boots of Lucidity]] with alacrity, [[Essence Reaver]], [[Ravenous Hydra]], [[Blade of the Ruined King]], [[Last Whisper]], and [[The Bloodthirster]]. By my fourth item i have already carried and won in most cases, and in other cases the full build finishes anyway. On [[Nasus]], if you build him offtank, you go [[Thornmail]], [[Essence Reaver]], [[Sunfire Cape]], [[Hextech Gunblade]], [[Randuin's Omen]], then [[Spirit Visage]]. Pretty much makes him a great turret destroyer and lane sustainer, while still retaining his usefulness in teamfights (even more so with infinite mana, i never mana out with [[essence reaver]] on him). I do a TF ADC build. Essence reaver is good on him because i like to spam them gold cards :D [quote=TheSilverDust]Is [[essence reaver]] good on [[urgot]]? Just askin'[/quote] Dunno, never played Urgot, even though he was on free rotation a couple weeks back, his abilities didn't lure me in enough to play him.[/quote]

[quote=Zordagoth]@TheSilverDust : No, most of your damage comes from your Q and it's not an AA. No mana regen on it. As for the op, I don't really understand the point on [[fiora]] and [[nasus]]. I mean [[fiora]] is not supposed to need tons of mana to kill someone ... or even multiple people. And the pimp cane is pretty much the only thing you'll be spamming as Doge. And it cost no mana, + [[frozen heart]] and [[trinity force]] already gives a good amount of mana.[/quote]

[quote=ThePreserver][quote=Zordagoth]@TheSilverDust : No, most of your damage comes from your Q and it's not an AA. No mana regen on it. As for the op, I don't really understand the point on [[fiora]] and [[nasus]]. I mean [[fiora]] is not supposed to need tons of mana to kill someone ... or even multiple people. And the pimp cane is pretty much the only thing you'll be spamming as Doge. And it cost no mana, + [[frozen heart]] and [[trinity force]] already gives a good amount of mana.[/quote] You're right, [[Fiora]] Doesn't need a lot of mana to kill someone, but if she wants to stay in the lane for a prolonged period of time, she needs mana, and she manas out quickly if she has full CDR. In a conventional sense, if you had no CDR you wouldn't be running out of mana, but a full CDR [[Fiora]] will run out. It's not a waste to get essence reaver because it does give you a whopping 80 AD and 10% life steal. On paper it's kind of wishy washy, but in practice, essence reaver pulls through and allows you to recover from multiple conveyor belt encounters. (I.E. you just went all-in on the lane champ and the jungle comes to get you, you'll need to -not- mana out) Also factor in if you want to push a lane quick and hard. E --> Q --> W is great, and you'll basically be spamming this till you get to turret, and still you'll be spamming E on the turret to increase melt power. With [[Essence Reaver]] this leaves you still with full mana. As for [[Nasus]], you and I play him differently. I'm real aggressive as a tank, and i'll be spamming [[wither]] and [[spirit fire]] to both get close enough and to make my other abilities (including my [[Siphoning Strike]]) hurt more. There's nothing I hate more than wanting to engage a champion, only to have 100 mana left. And, like [[Fiora]], the 80 AD and 10% lifesteal isn't bad either. On top of that, you -want- that CDR on doge to increase the speed of his nukes anyhow. more CDR = more "HUAH!".[/quote]

[quote=Sir Wellington]I like it. Plus [[essence reaver]] makes it much easier to roam/farm the enemy jungle after you've shoved top lane down too far. Minor nitpick: I still think [[trinity force]] is a better item for [[nasus]] than [[hextech gunblade]] since the Sheen passive is just too good to pass up, but Gunblade isn't bad by any means.[/quote]

[quote=ThePreserver]I do like getting [[trinity force]] on [[Nasus]], when I'm leaning more towards damage, otherwise I'm a sucker for keeping him alive with spell vamp.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf][quote=ThePreserver]I do like getting [[trinity force]] on [[Nasus]], when I'm leaning more towards damage, otherwise I'm a sucker for keeping him alive with spell vamp.[/quote] Spellvamp doesn't so much on Nasus. Unless you're building [b]a lot[/b] of AP, and even then it's only helpful on your ult. Lifesteal applies on [[Siphoning Strike]], btw.[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian]Why would you buy Essence Reaver on Nasus Important stats to get early game = tanky stats + cdr Tanky stats lets you stay in lane longer to keep farming Q, cdr lets you farm Q more often Essence Reaver gives no tank stats and gives 10% cdr after you spend 1600 on BF Sword, 800 on Vamp Scepter, and 800(?) to upgrade it. It also costs that same amount for the mana regen effect Compared to Glacial Shroud which makes you tanky against AD top laners plus it gives an ample amount of mana and 10% cdr for under 1000 gold and then it upgrades into Frozen Heart for 1500g which makes you unkillable against any AD based top laner, or Kindlegem which builds into Spirit Visage which gives ridiculous sustain against AP based champions. Also, Glacial gives 250 mana, Spirit Fire + Wither costs 150, so Glacial pretty much gives you more than one extra rotation of spells, if you're randomly spamming Wither and Spirit Fire you're playing Nasus extremely inefficiently. If you try to buy a BF as a first item, you're going to be extremely weak until you actually buy it, and even then you're not tanky at all so you're at risk of being kicked out of lane from 1 or 2 spell rotations from the other laner. If you buy a Vamp Scepter first if you get zoned it's the same as buying nothing, either way you're just making laning harder for yourself. Late game it does nothing for you as your base mana pool + FH + Triforce is more than enough mana to last you through teamfights, extra AD is useless when you get kited or peeled, mana restore is useless when you can't hit anything and you have no mana problems to begin with, and CDR is wasted when you get 20% from FH, 10% from SV, 5% from masteries, 5% from runes. Better to spend 3k gold on items that can keep you alive longer so you can more easily frontline, and I doubt 80 AD will help assassinate their carries when you already do like 800+ each Q after resists, which is doable if you actually bought cdr early to farm instead of a BF Sword or Vamp Scepter.[/quote]