How to make Bloodthirster a more viable item.

[quote=Searz][quote=Restrictnine] So basically Searz is like HeAt and ignores anything that isnt his opinion...[/quote] If you want to discuss things please don't be rude.. [quote]So you mean to tell me that Last whisper is better against a 40 armor ashe[/quote] LW is better than BT at 40armor if you have a full build. And by the time you have the money to buy BT all enemies will be at about 70armor [quote]this thread... Its horrible theory-crafting. No thought was put into how effective bloodthirster is. Its worse than PFP's phantom dancer thread.[/quote] Again please don't act like this.. I never said that BT needed to be buffed to the extent of my suggestions, I wanted to discuss it with others. It was simply theories I presented along with facts. Isn't that what theory crafting is all about? [quote]But of course, you won't pay attention because "im mindlessly raging" so go ahead disregard this "heated debate" but you can't delete my post. People will see the darker side to your proposed utopia.[/quote] I never once said that you were raging nor mindlessly doing so. I said that your comment was "a tad bit rude" and this is a real quote, not a fictional one.. Again; please discuss without being rude.[/quote]

[quote=Trojan995]I like the new graphs, it looks like Stark's Fervor (in terms of pure offensive capabilities) isn't a great item. However, the aura, lifesteal, and health regeneration may make it worth it as a defensive/supportive item. Also, I think it was sort of an unwarranted attack on both HeAt and Searz.[/quote]

[quote=Rudmed]Alright, I was suprised that the ARP of both Stark's and Ghostblade did worse then the BT and Ghostblade. (Perhaps it was the high AD and the little bit of ARP that did it). Though nice job on the graph, I'll keep my eye open on this thread for any juicy bits of info.[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=Trojan995] I like the new graphs, it looks like Stark's Fervor (in terms of pure offensive capabilities) isn't a great item. However, the aura, lifesteal, and health regeneration may make it worth it as a defensive/supportive item. Also, I think it was sort of an unwarranted attack on both HeAt and Searz.[/quote] Thank you. Stark's aura is what makes it bad in single champ stats. If aura items gave as good stats as non-aura items would you even consider the non-aura ones? Stark's is the item to get for sustained group pushes since it will help your team loads. For pure carry damage it's not a great item.[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=Rudmed] Alright, I was suprised that the ARP of both Stark's and Ghostblade did worse then the BT and Ghostblade. (Perhaps it was the high AD and the little bit of ARP that did it). Though nice job on the graph, I'll keep my eye open on this thread for any juicy bits of info.[/quote] Glad to hear that. As I said above: "If aura items gave as good stats as non-aura items would you even consider the non-aura ones?" That's pretty much why it's lacking. I didn't think it was that lacking though. It seems Stark's is not that good a carry item after all.[/quote]

[quote=Rudmed]Hey if you've got the time, and your not puking from how many graphs you've made could you possibly do one more comparing Black Cleaver and BT to Black Cleaver and Starks?[/quote]

[quote=Searz]Hah, no, I'm not puking yet :] I'll make those when I can. Probably not for a week now at least though. Just making sure; BT+BC vs Stark+BC? I'm pretty sure stark will lose.. It can't compare the same way as other items because of the aura, but if you insist I'll make it. I think a better comparison would be BC vs BT. I'm adding that when I can.[/quote]

[quote=Rudmed]Oh well nevermind then I was just curious if the 65 ARP with 55 AD would make up for the 45 ARP with 60 AD.[/quote]

[quote=Trojan995][quote=Rudmed] Oh well nevermind then I was just curious if the 65 ARP with 55 AD would make up for the 45 ARP with 60 AD. [/quote] If you want to compare something like that, Youmuu's would be a better choice in place of stark's.[/quote]

[quote=Searz]So basically you're saying you want a BT vs BC, or am I wrong? I was planning on making that anyway. Actually; I think comparing Phantom Dancer to BT might be good too, but PD is such an awesome crit carry item >.> so I'm pretty sure BC won't be able to compare.[/quote]