ThePreserver wrote:
Not necessarily. If you're someone that could benefit greatly from movement speed and AP, there are several occassions where getting this early as a second item could prove worthwhile. On more than a few instances, I've done








why are you building thornmail on vladimir... why would you ever delay ludens for a FIRST ITEM deathcap???? wtf

NicknameMy wrote:
All of this discussion is wasted next patch anyway, so guys, please wait. Then
Rabadon's Deathcap will have absolutely no enemy, but will also have the absolutely highest price.

Nop sorry, it'll not change that before your 3rd or 4th item, Rab is not efficient enough.
They lowered the ap on these items, but their price too making it faster to achieve. I don't think it'll change Rabadon's place that much.
But it'll definitely change builds/rush on AP.
Whenever I play
Ziggs I get my
Rabadon's Deathcap as a 3rd item. I usually go with
Athene's Unholy Grail or
Morellonomicon,
Luden's Tempest and then build my
Rabadon's Deathcap. I deal absurd amounts of damage after that.






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H4xDefender wrote:
why are you building thornmail on vladimir... why would you ever delay ludens for a FIRST ITEM deathcap???? wtf

Circumstances, man. I don't always do it but in some cases getting 244 Ability Power with just




I'm sorry, what?
EDIT: I just realized that the


I wouldn't use the word "better", rather I would use the word "situational". Hourglass is good if you're constantly needing to go toes with
Zed or
Fizz or
Karthus etc. But if you are in a -situation- that involves lots of pokes like I am with
Vladimir, then you get a
Thornmail. I bot gank with
Teleport so much that
Thornmail is basically core for me.







hourglass is literally always better than thornmail unless you are facing 3-4 auto attack based champions. just because thornmail works well for you in silver elo normal games doesn't make it a better item on vlad lOl. i can link games where i go cinderhulk rengar at challenger elo and win but it doesn't make cinderhulk rengar good.

Derp :D It's funny though. He has probably one of the best synergies with zhonyas
It's alright though, people will be in disbelief until a medium-farmed vlad comes into their midgame and singlehandedly carries the teamfight cause he can use up to 3 full rotations without taking damage hue
It's alright though, people will be in disbelief until a medium-farmed vlad comes into their midgame and singlehandedly carries the teamfight cause he can use up to 3 full rotations without taking damage hue

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