zilean "core items"

[quote=Searz]You mean lvl3 :P[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=Searz] You mean lvl3 :P [/quote] Well, the 250 yeah maybe, :s but they hurt in any case.[/quote]

[quote=Searz]They do indeed.[/quote]

[quote=Mowen]I'm not saying he can't solo lane. Yes I know his bombs are very strong early game, which is why I usually go bot and try to keep the other team off my lane partner so he can last hit. I would just think it would be better for a true mage to sololane, and in the case Zil did solo lane, I would wonder who would be bot splitting CS? It seems hard to compose a team if you let Zil solo lane.[/quote]

[quote=Searz]Haven't you seen Reginald play Zilean? Take a look at that. He fits the AP damage/support role perfectly. He isn't really a support. He's more of an AP damage with support elements.[/quote]

[quote=Mowen]I actually haven't seen any pros play Zilean, haha. I will try to find some. Could you send me some PM's if you have specific videos in mind? Or just post them. Zilean definitely fills an odd niche.[/quote]

[quote=Searz]Reginald played AP Zilean in mid in [url=http://season-one-championship.na.leagueoflegends.com/match/team-solomid-vs-tbd-semi-final-match-1]match 2 vs aAa[/url] in the tournament.[/quote]

[quote=CoRpusCoLLoSsuM]I have to agree that Zil needs farm and AP to be most effective. I've found a couple of builds that work pretty well, but obviously you can't go by the same builds every time. If I'm needing to support a bit more early game, and need more nuke late-game(where your support will be good no matter what), I build like this: [[Doran's Ring]] [[Ionian Boots of Lucidity]] [[Tear of the Goddess]] [[Blasting Wand]] or [[Needlessly Large Rod]] [[Rod of Ages]] [[Rabadon's Deathcap]] You get great mana and mana regen with nifty 30% cooldown reduction, allowing you to spam A LOT and get off some great combo's. Don't forget to buy [[Elixir of Brilliance]] when you can to bring you to the cooldown cap!! If I need more damage early, or honestly if I'm in an intense ranked game, I feel like this other build works better..: [[Doran's Ring]] [[Sorcerer's Shoes]] [[Catalyst the Protector]] [[Needlessly Large Rod]] to [[Rabadon's Deathcap]] Then finish [[Rod of Ages]] After that pick up [[Soul Shroud]] This build lacks a lot of Cooldown reduction early on, but it's easy to get 15% from masteries and runes. If you pick up [[Elixir of Brilliance]] you'll have 25% reduction before you end up getting Soul Shroud. The reason I pick that up late is it gives you survivability (needed later game) and you can support your team while already being very dangerous. That's just my two cents..[/quote]

[quote=Searz]Buy 1 to 3 Doran's Rings, then catalyst. Then ROA/Tear/Deathcap, then Tear/Deathcap then Deathcap/Tear/Banshee's Veil(if you didn't go ROA). Then whatever the fuck you want in the AP or defense category.[/quote]

[quote=JunSupport]Searz, Reginald's team lost with him in mid as Zilean. Your argument is invalid. Contrary to "popular" belief, Zilean is a terrible champion if played as a mage. People are mislead to believe he's a mage carry because he has a knack for getting kills. This is because, and only because, the double [[Time Bomb]] combo has a delay on the second half of it's nuke that makes KSing fairly common for Zilean. You have to look at his other two skills; [[Time Warp]], and [[Chrono Shift]]. Neither do damage, they're support/utility skills. Zilean is a mage Support. Unlike normal supports, he requires AP, but he is still fundamentally a support. He's a hybrid of sorts, which as history has shown us, doesn't work in the highest of rankings. TL;DR answer: [color=aqua]Zilean doesn't fit in high-elo premade team comps.[/color] He's the kingly ruler of solo-queue, but a crippled old man in premades.[/quote]