Warding, Aegies and the Support Role

[quote=Canoas]Before DreamHack I always thought that everyone should be getting wards, but it seems that during early game the support and jungler get the wards, and by end-game only the support is getting them. This completely changes the builds, since the supports would end up getting 3-4 Gp10 items and use really cheap builds (5k gold tops, including the Gp10 items). However, after Dreamhack there was also a big change in Gp10 items, so HoG stacking will not work any more. Another thing I noticed is that Aegis of the Legion is not gotten that frequently. It was pretty uncommon to see it being used. Is the resistances it provides not that good anymore? Maybe due to the new metagame of 2 AP, 1 Jungler and 1 ranged AD + Support? In my guides I aim for a 7-7.5k build, aegis included, and usually achieve it by the 45 min mark, but my view on supports and the team composition as a whole really changed with dreamhack. Are supports only meant to max CDR now? What about survivability or AP? In each game all that was build on Janna and Sona was CDR boots, Shurelya's reverie and 2-3 HoG. That means 0 AP and some health thanks to the HoG. I've always been OK with 0 AP, supports (except maybe soraka) don't need AP to be useful as long as they can spam their CDs. However, I've always built my supports quite beefy and capable of blocking some spells, has this always been the wrong way of building them? What about now, where there are no more HoG stacking? How are the Jannas and Sonas supposed to be built? Are they supposed to focus on wards+oracles and ignore aegis?[/quote]

[quote=Ya1232]Please stop doing what the pros do. Please learn to play how YOU want to play. Please stop thinking that you can play a certain way and expect your other team members to do what they are supposed to do. Please understand that this isnt a dick reply.[/quote]

[quote=Canoas]Has it ever occurred to you that I might want to play like the pros? So, if you're telling me to play like the pros by not doing what the pros do then how is your post not supposed to be a dick reply? That's like telling an architect he can build stuff however he pleases and stop following the basic rules of civil engineering. That's fine if he wants to build a wooden hut, any moron can do that, but it's just impossible if you want to build the empire state building. If you want to play your way then I'm not stopping you, but please do not try to impose your way of doing things on me. Or on anyone else for that matter. Everyone knows what they want, and if they're trying to learn in order to reach their objective you have absolutely no right to try and stop them. Let's stay on topic please.[/quote]

[quote=Ya1232]Whelp, that went out the window so now Ill just be blunt. You are not a pro, you wont ever be a pro. You wont be good enough to be one and you will never be on thier level of play and communication. You will never be able to pull off everything that they pull off because they have a certain playstyle that you will never have because its not "programmed into you" Sure you can try and be like them but it wont get you anywhere, you will fail with it and do semi ok with it. But youll never get the results just like them. You are one person where they are 5 people working as one. Happy?[/quote]

[quote=Canoas]Wow, I'm sorry if you have low ambitions and lack any kind of dreams, but again, don't try to impose them on others. I don't want to be a pro, but if I'm going to play a game then you can be sure I'll do it the right way. So yeah, suck as much as you want, just don't try to drag others down with you, specially me. But please, go be sad somewhere else. I have a legit question about LoL, which I posted in a [u]LOL FORUM[/u], and wanted the insight of other good players. As I've understood you're not part of the good players group, so my guess is you don't have any important information to add. Please keep this on-topic. EDIT: Also, if you're coming to a LOL forum and rage at people who want to play lol better than you should just be banned. There's absolutely no reason for you to even come here. Really, no reason at all. Feel free to leave any time.[/quote]

[quote=tinolas]Are you talking about Premade or Soloqueue 5v5? Well, I play support champions if I get to play them (1 out of 6 games) in Soloqueue but I don't really enjoy playing them. I go for the standard Philo + HoG and quite some wards but not too many if I'm honest ^^ My build depends on how my game goes. I try to build Aegis and Shurelyas afterwards but if my team is loosing, it'll take quite some time. The reason I think why the supports didn't have the too many items because all the games except for 2 or 3 where really close.[/quote]

[quote=Canoas]Premade 5vs5. Also, some game lasted close to 1h, but the supports kept their very cheap build.[/quote]

[quote=Ya1232]You are missing the point completely and that is why you wont get it ever. Good luck to you then if you think youll ever be on their level of play LOLOL[/quote]

[quote=Scrax]Less trashtalk, and stay on topic. Thank you.[/quote]

[quote=Trojan995]I have to agree with Ya - pros, though we can follow in their footsteps - are not always the best molds. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority It's a fallacious argument to say that something's right because an authority figure says so. Just because a pro does something, does not make it right. For instance, two pros built pre-nerf vlad two different ways; one (Hotshotgg? I don't quite remember) suggested hextech revolver stacking (pre-hextech nerf), while one (Reginald I think) said that this was sub-optimal and that rushing a deathcap was certainly best. So, which pro is right? Additionally, often times pros will insist on buying [[last whisper]] on certain champs (just check solomid), despite Searz proving that champs who use auto-attacks as a main source of damage will benefit far more from [[the black cleaver]]. So, do we listen to the pros? Or do we listen to math? Which is right? Authority or proof? Lastly, pros often build situationally - for instance, hotshotgg might not build a lich bane on nidalee for whatever reason - maybe he doesn't think he can get the proc off, maybe he doesn't plan on backdooring, maybe he wants to focus more on getting stronger heals, whatever; the point is that he avoided a core item due to the situation. Watching a game and seeing that HSGG rushes rabadon's and completely avoids lich bane does not mean that it's not optimal to get lich bane. In the same way, maybe pros avoid aegis on supports because it was a situational choice - another champ was getting it maybe? Maybe they don't plan on being within aura range? Whatever the reason, just because many teams didn't get it in dreamhack doesn't mean it isn't optimal for many situations. So, in short: - pros aren't always right, only believe a pro if they can argue their case just as anyone else can. -avoid confusing "core" with "situational" when watching only a few games with any given champ/player. -pros play differently than one another too, so not every pro can be right.[/quote]