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[quote=jhoijhoi][quote=PsiGuard] I have to say I agree with Searz on the abilities section. There really isn't much I need to say that isn't already in a tooltip or in one of the gameplay sections of the guide. I'll start an ability section and see if I can think of some advice to include, but no promises. ^^[/quote] :/ I believe the Abilities Section is where you learn the most about the champion. [quote]I don't plan on changing the organization, since I often compare the differences between the builds (such as a 2nd [[Doran's Ring]] over a [[Philosopher's Stone]]).[/quote] lol, the organisation of your guide was one of my main issues. Basically look at it from someone else's point of view. Get a few more other people to have a look at it. I'd recommend making a dummy guide (one that you never publish) and looking at both organisations side by side on your monitor. [quote]I'm really glad you and Searz suggested getting rid of the columns ;). I fiddled with them a bit, but couldn't get them to look nice with the text without doing something stupid-looking.[/quote] Well, you don't need to remove your columns. But if you want to keep them, you're going to have to neaten them up a little. Even my columns for my items are a bit messy, really. [quote]By level 11, I'm usually doing less laning and more roaming/team fighting, so I'll take the best ultimate I can get. The damage also helps for split-pushing towers ^^.[/quote] Oh really? And what about your Q, W, and E? What? You do all that too? Guess what, Psi ^^ You've written your own Ability Explanation Section in your reply: [h2][color=#ffff00][b]Ability Explanations[/b][/color][/h2] [b][color=#00ff00]Trample[/color][/b] (Passive): STAMPEDE! [center][color=#0080ff][b]Tips and Tricks[/b][/color][/center] [list] [*] Trample scales off of Ability Power. Using abilities to proc Trample with the AP Alistar build will let you do powerful area damage during a team fight, or push down a tower very quickly. [*] Remember to space out your abilities when possible. This will refresh Trample and give you more procs from Sheen, Lich Bane, or Trinity Force. [/list] [b][color=#800080][[Pulverize]][/color][/b] (Q): I level this ability second last, as I only use if for the CC, and as the cooldowns generally are less important (in my experience) during lane phase. The distance between towers is so short, that I can only get off one combo at a time. [center][color=#0080ff][b]Tips and Tricks[/b][/color][/center] [list] [*] Mastering the Headbutt - Pulverize combo without pushing away the target will give you stronger initiations and more successful chases. [*] Save one of your CC abilities to interrupt powerful channeling ultimates like Absolute Zero, Crowstorm, Requiem, and Death Lotus. [/list] [b][color=#ffff00][[headbutt]][/color][/b] (W): I level up [[Headbutt]] when possible, because I only use it to harrass or kill champions. Headbutt does the most damage of Alistar's abilities and is the most effective in securing kills. [center][color=#0080ff][b]Tips and Tricks[/b][/color][/center] [list] [*] Use Clairvoyance to spot neutral creeps or an enemy champion in the jungle, then Headbutt through the wall. [*] You can use Headbutt on enemy minions or neutral creeps as a makeshift dash. It's a great way to chase or escape. [*] Using Headbutt on a melee champion with strong CC to knock them out of a team fight can be more effective than targeting a carry. [*] Use Headbutt on Jarvan IV when he uses Cataclysm to save your teammates from being singled out. [/list] [b][color=#ff8000][[Triumphant Roar]][/color][/b] (E): has pretty much been nerfed over and over from day one. The amount of healing I provide to my allies at first level could probably be equalled by Ashe with a single [[Doran's Blade]] for lifesteal. I find I really need some fast levels of [[Triumphant Roar]] to keep my lanemate from having to play passive. Use this to heal minions to push lanes, or deny enemies last hits. Popping this near the beginning of a teamfight ensures it is up again when it is needed, due to it's decreased cooldowns when an enemy dies. [center][color=#0080ff][b]Tips and Tricks[/b][/color][/center] [list] [*] Triumphant Roar is a great way to proc Trample. Use this ability to walk through creeps when harrassing, chasing, or fleeing enemy champions. [*] Spamming Triumphant Roar is a great way to push down towers. It will keep you and your minions healed up while Trample deals damage to the tower. [/list] [b][color=#00ffff][[unbreakable will]][/color][/b] (R): This ability is what makes Alistar such a formidable tank. Pop it to take down dragon, Baron, towers, in teamfights and when ganking. [center][color=#0080ff][b]Tips and Tricks[/b][/color][/center] [list] [*] Unbreakable Will is a great way to initiate a tower dive alone or with teammates. [/list] [h2][color=#ffff00][b]Skill Sequencing[/b][/color][/h2] R > Q > W > E I prioritize [[Headbutt]], then [[Pulverize]], throwing in a couple points in [[Triumphant Roar]] to keep it from being useless. - - - That took me a while to do, so don't knock it ^^ [quote]It's the only section in which the columns don't conflict with each other! Are you sure you aren't the one who's lopsided o.O?[/quote] D: Well how about making it into 3 columns and 1 row? [quote]Leveling Pulverize instead of Headbutt will result in less damage and fewer kills. While it is true that Pulverize can hit more targets than Headbutt, you should not be using those abilities to farm, and team fights won't start until later in the game. You can only use your Pulverize- Headbutt combo on ONE enemy, often resulting in ONE kill at a time. I find it more effective to secure a kill on one lane opponent than to try to kill both of them at once, with only a Pulverize for damage. [/quote] This part is what made me think you were trying to get the reader to believe Alistar was an AP carry. Kinda sounds like he's doing all the killing on his own. Small thing though, not a big deal. [quote]If you're looking for the Aura build, all the Aura sections have "Aura Support" in the heading.[/quote] I promise you, no one reads the headings. They don't have to because everything should be immediately apparent in the text that follows. [quote]THEY DID???!!! Can somebody confirm this?[/quote] Apparently it was a known bug and they fixed it (but don't quote me on that, as I don't play Alistar)[/quote]

[quote=Summoner][quote=jhoijhoi] 1) As Sona I get 39.8% cool down reduction with: Soul Shroud, Surelya's, Glyphs of Focus, Masteries. With that in mind, I believe maybe Ionian boots are not really neccessary at all. Also, I truly believed that [[spirit visage]] was a must have early game item on Soraka. [/quote] Luidity boots give 15% CDR for 700 gold, that's one of the most cost effective CDR item in the game (i think morellos is better gold/cdr, not sure though). And in your build, you have a situational support item (soul shroud) and a pretty worthless item on Sona (spirit visage). And uh, no, it's not. [quote] 2) While your Purchase Order is interestingly short, some people only read that. They'll only see the three items. I think that you should have the proper sequencing of when you buy the items up. [/quote] Anyone with a brain would understand the item build order just looking at those 3 items. For people who *need* the guide, they will read the item section. If they are that lazy, I'm not going to cater for them. Plus, it's totally not a way to make people actually read the guide so they have to understand why I get the items, nope. [quote]3) I feel as if 6 armour and magic resist is inferior to the reduced cooldowns in the Offense Tree ([b]not to mention the 15% Magic Penetration[/b]).[/quote] [b]What?[/b] [quote]4) Archmage's Savvy is actually really crap, so if you really wanted to, 0/9/21 *would* be better, like you intially thought.[/quote] I would consider your response if you didn't just say 6/6 resist is worse than 15% MPen (on [b]soraka[/b]). But either way, 3/6/21 is stronger defensively and 0/9/21 is stronger offensively. On that basis, 3/6/21 is stronger as if your team fails offensively you have stronger support to make up for it, even if eventually you become a very aggressive team, you get free power along with strong defenses. 0/9/21 just gives you stronger defenses for the early game -> potential defenses in late game vs auto attacks. [quote]5) "Early Starcall also allows you to see if any wards are present in brush or around dragon without needing to oracles / vision ward." How so?[/quote] Because starcall can be activated if an enemy unit is in range, invisible or not. [quote]6) I find it odd you don't mention Spirit Visage and Soul Shroud.[/quote] Soul Shroud is situational support item and is only good for the AoE CDR, but 2.2k for aoe CDR? If they needed the CDR they would get it themselves because it's cheaper that way (800 for 10% cdr and 200 health, 2285 for 10% cdr and 12 mana/5). The regen is useless if they build a philo, have regen runes or don't even have mana. Basically, it's only good if your team is running full offensive runes and need you to give them their CDR and Mana they lose from seals/glyphs. Spirit Visage suffers from the same problem - it costs a lot, but it doesn't do anything for your team. If you choose to get it, you're slowing down the time you get an actual valuable item for your team. Why buy it when you can max your CDR while also giving you and your team better stats from items that are more cost effective and actually use your GP/5 items so you're not spending the full amount? (i.e shurelya's and randuin's turning into your offensive/defensive aura CDR items) You might say 1550 isn't a lot, but that's 20 wards. Would you rather buy 20 wards or an item that solely benefits you? Would your [b]team[/b] rather you buy 20 ?wards or an item that solely benefits you [quote] 7) While you explain that the game is an inhouse, it still says "custom game" and it offsets your score. Also, you could tidy the screenshot so there's not so much yellow space, and so the two parts line up/end at the same place.[/quote] The score doesn't matter because I'm making a point, but I might just screen a ranked game statistics and get the same point across. And I suppose for the space thing. [quote] 8) I would almost suggest cutting that map in half diagonally so that the image of the warding areas are magnified, because it's kinda hard to see. Not a be issue though ^^ [/quote] If I can see it fine and I have extremely poor vision in one of my eyes, I'm sure everyone else can. It's bigger than the minimap, but no one ever complains "Man, this mini map is too hard to see things on!" :( In regards to merc treads: If you need tenacity, get Eleisa's. If you need the MR, get null mantle while waiting for aegis. For rod of ages: you have to get this early, but if you get this early you're delaying your support items for SO LONG. And to make the most of rod of ages you're going to want to get catalyst / blasting before you start your gp/5 items so you're not that far away from getting it, making it even worse. The longer you take to get your support items, the longer you're just providing heals and nothing more. It's just poor item choice. If you want a beneficial ap item, take morellos. That's probably the only AP item I would build on her, but even then, I'd get it after my support items.[/quote]

[quote=jhoijhoi]:/ Your response is possibly the meanest response yet, Summoner. Not appreciated. [quote=Summoner] Luidity boots give 15% CDR for 700 gold, that's the most cost effective CDR item in the game. And in your build, you have a situational support item (soul shroud) and a pretty worthless item on Sona (spirit visage).[/quote] I don't get Spirit Visage on Sona. I said that many people get it on Soraka. The champion you made the guide for? [quote]Anyone with a brain would understand the item build order just looking at those 3 items. [/quote] That's really rude. All I'm trying to do is help you out and you're insinuating I don't have a brain. There's a reason why Jebus' and Buggs' Amumu guide got downvoted so much. Basically it used to have only boots, HoG and Aegis, and a ton of people downvoted it for that reason. All I was trying to do was warn you of the people who do those sorts of things. Please do not ask for someone to review your guide if you cannot handle the criticism/help they are offering. My first post said that I would provide HONEST OPINIONS of the guide. And that is what I am doing. Get off your high horse, listen to what I'm saying, see it from my point of view. [quote]I would consider your response if you didn't just say 6/6 resist is worse than 15% MPen (on [b]soraka[/b]).[/quote] =.= Your second build details an AP Soraka with AP Runes. None of your recommended items give Magic Penetration. Thus 1 measly point spent in Archaic Knowledge would help in teamfights, especially with her Q. [quote]Soul Shroud is situational support item[/quote] Exactly. You're writing a Soraka guide. Also "if they wanted the CDR they'd get it themselves". Yes. "Soraka, don't get Soul Shroud, k? I'm Ashe, gonna get Nashor's." [quote]Basically, it's only good if your team is running full offensive runes and need you to give them their CDR and Mana they lose from seals/glyphs.[/quote] As your guide is about "The Baby Sitting Queen", I'd assume you'd want to be catering to all of the needs of your team. [quote]If I can see it fine and I have extremely poor vision in one of my eyes, I'm sure everyone else can. It's bigger than the minimap, but no one ever complains "Man, this mini map is too hard to see things on!" :([/quote] ... It was only a suggestion. I can't believe you responded so negatively to my review. Did you expect me to fawn all over your guide? Were you expecting praise coming from my ass? Jesus Christ. Please be appreciative that I even offered this service. Fuck. My review of your guide doesn't even deserve such a negative response. I was waiting and waiting for someone to be annoyed at my review. I honestly didn't think it'd come from you. Also, did you stop and wonder why my review wasn't full of adoration? Your guide is recommended - it has to be better than the non-recommended guides. Did I see that in your guide? Was I pushing you to make a better guide? Could your guide be better? Did you think that perhaps I dug really deep to find things wrong with your guide so I could write an adequate review? *shakes head* Never request anything from me again if you're going to react so poorly to my constructive criticism. Fuck.[/quote]

[quote=jhoijhoi]@Summoner: [quote=Pieson] Great build, although you might want to put the philo+HoG in the build at the top becasue often people skip reading and only look at that.[/quote] [quote=Trophycase] As others said though, I think you should list philo, HoG in your item setup. [/quote] [quote=CounterClockWiseEU] Great guide, only put item sequence in the cheatsheet please :) [/quote] I guess they don't have brains either, right Summoner? Also, wow. It took 5 pages of back and forth arguing before you finally conceded that Dodge is shit. Wow... I probably should have read the comments first, and avoided giving a review, as clearly you don't take any opinions at face value, but ignore people until they beat you over the head with math. btw: You calling the top Soraka guides on Mobafire crap for getting Spirit Visages? Adonkiam would be pleased to hear that - wasn't he one of the mods to rec you? ^^[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=Summoner] Luidity boots give 15% CDR for 700 gold, that's one of the most cost effective CDR item in the game[/quote] Not really. Most other CDR items give more stats for the money. Most boots aren't exactly cost effective, but the movement speed invaluable. Also, Spirit Visage is a GREAT item. You really can't argue that it isn't..[/quote]

[quote=NinjaGinge]Guide for: TWITCH Why I'd Like it Reviewed: Because I feel that it's by far the most extensive Twitch guide and that almost every dv is probably from people looking at initial items at the top and skill sequence. What I'd like you to focus on: The actual content? lol Link: http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/the-rat-reevaluated-extensive-pvp-twitch-86431[/quote]

[quote=Summoner]How is it mean? I mean, would it be nicer if I responded [color=#ff0080]with a nice bright pink colour?[/color] Perhaps if I ended every response with a smiley face showing happiness? :) Really though, I don't understand how it was mean, aside from the whole "I'd accept your response" thing, but really, come on. But if you want me to be mean, I could! But I'll make sure I'm not. [quote=jhoijhoi] I don't get Spirit Visage on Sona. I said that many people get it on Soraka. The champion you made the guide for? [/quote] [color=#ff0080]I said Sona because of this:[/color] [quote]1) As [b]Sona[/b][/quote] [color=#ff0080] Wasn't sure if it was a typo or not, so I just went with it. :) [/color] [quote]Please do not ask for someone to review your guide if you cannot handle the criticism/help they are offering.[/quote] [color=#ff0080]What criticism did you offer, exactly? When I asked, I was under the impression you were some sort of expert. I didn't read any of the previous replies in this thread or the full opening. The only acceptable (and I mean, something that I could actually work with) was you asking about soul shroud and spirit visage, but that still didn't really go along the lines of "I understand why you build the way you do, but how do you feel about Soul Shroud and Spirit Visage". So I just told you how I felt about the items. But when I answered that, you said I was mean, so god knows. :)[/color] [quote]=.= Your second build details an AP Soraka with AP Runes. None of your recommended items give Magic Penetration. Thus 1 measly point spent in Archaic Knowledge would help in teamfights, especially with her Q.[/quote] [color=#ff0080]AP runes doesn't mean AP soraka, it simply means you value free stats immensely and you know you're going to need to have a strong lane phase or you're going to get dominated (i.e if they put taric + miss fortune vs soraka ashe, you're going to need AP otherwise your lane will lose.) But uh, Q lowers MR and is purely for negating the MR on their defensive items, mainly on carries. And if your AP carry is building void staff, you aren't going to be able to spam it otherwise you're making it a poor investment on their end (to a degree). :)[/color] [quote] "Soraka, don't get Soul Shroud, k? I'm Ashe, gonna get Nashor's." [/quote] [color=#ff0080]If they [b]needed[/b] CDR. Ashe doesn't need CDR, does she? Oh wait, I completely forgot she's reliant on Volley and Enchanted Crystal Arrow to output damage in any shape or form. But this is kind of what I was saying about "I thought you were an expert at the game." Saying "Lol, building Nashor's Tooth on Ashe cause I need CDR." basically sends my point home. :)[/color] [quote]As your guide is about "The Baby Sitting Queen", I'd assume you'd want to be catering to all of the needs of your team.[/quote] [color=#ff0080]So I have to include a poor support item and explain you should only build it if your team has 4 champions who rely on cooldown and you should tell your team to not use regen runes? I thought I would just explain support items you can build 100% of the time and get the full money's worth from it. Less unimportant information to read, meaning my guide is short, easy to understand and contains information you only need to know and that you can utilize at any given moment in your game. :)[/color] [quote]I can't believe you responded so negatively to my review.[/quote] [color=#ff0080]Sarcastic comment, but hey, I thought someone would be able to tell from the whole ""Man, the minimap, it's so small!" :(" thing I did there. Sorry you got that impression, though. I appreciate the time you took to read it / give "criticism", as you call it, but don't go on a period about me not giving you "praise coming from my ass" when you expected me to "fawn all over" your "criticism." :)[/color] [quote]Did you expect me to fawn all over your guide? Were you expecting praise coming from my ass?[/quote] [color=#ff0080]No, I was kind of hoping you'd say something (like I asked!) about how easy it was to understand. But you didn't touch that point at all. And that's the only thing I wanted from it. I didn't need someone to ask why I don't build 2 items that you do - there's a reason I didn't mention them. :)[/color] [quote]I was waiting and waiting for someone to be annoyed at my review. I honestly didn't think it'd come from you.[/quote] [color=#ff0080]Was I annoyed? No. Was I disappointed you touched everything but the thing I wanted your opinion on? Yes. :)[/color] [quote]*shakes head* Never request anything from me again if you're going to react so poorly to my constructive criticism. Fuck. [/quote] [color=#ff0080]I didn't react poorly, if anything, you're reacting poorly because I.. said spirit visage and soul shroud are bad? I don't actually see what the problem was in my response. I don't see why you're complaining, I mean, if anything, [b]I[/b] should be complaining because I expected you to do something rather simple yet didn't, and then you're complaining about me responding to your "criticism." You didn't say one thing I could improve on, other than the images in the guide, which is a 5 second change at most when I get around to it. Should I be praising you for telling me that? No. Sorry you got offended over this, but please, take this constant flow of pink text and my smiley face as a form of apology. :)[/color] Oh, and searz - I was meaning for pure CDR alone, but yes if you include other stats then of course there's going to be better items. But your boots are meant to provide you with the best stats possible for your champion, and for supports, the CDR is the most important stat you can get from your boots (other than move speed, but running mobility on soraka means you have to get morellos to max our your CDR). Spirit visage is an amazing item, but on support? No.[/quote]

[quote=jhoijhoi][quote=Summoner]I mean, would it be nicer if I responded [color=#ff0080]with a nice bright pink colour?[/color] Perhaps if I ended every response with a smiley face showing happiness? :)[/quote] Being condescending is not a nice way to deal with people. You're appearing very rude and unnecessarily snarkish to the people reading this. [quote]What criticism did you offer, exactly? When I asked, I was under the impression you were some sort of expert. I didn't read any of the previous replies in this thread or the full opening.[/quote] I already addressed this in my previous reply. I searched for the only things I could criticise. Everything else was fine. Calling me unprofessional is adding more insult to injury. I never claimed to be an expert on this game. I offered to review guides. That is what I have been doing, giving my opinion on anything and everything. Just because you don't like my opinion doesn't mean it is wrong. In fact, coming from someone who initially had Dodge Chance in their masteries - I mean, come on. Clearly you're less knowledgeable than I am. [quote]AP runes doesn't mean AP soraka[/quote] ... [quote]But uh, Q lowers MR and is purely for negating the MR on their defensive items, mainly on carries.[/quote] And what about Infuse? Is it not a harassing move? [quote][quote] "Soraka, don't get Soul Shroud, k? I'm Ashe, gonna get Nashor's." [/quote] But this is kind of what I was saying about "I thought you were an expert at the game." Saying "Lol, building Nashor's Tooth on Ashe cause I need CDR." basically sends my point home.[/quote] Gosh, anyone with a brain would have realised I was using sarcasm. [quote]So I have to include a poor support item[/quote] You're calling Soul Shroud a poor support item? o.O [quote]you should tell your team to not use regen runes?[/quote] Wow, you must play premade 5s with people who have every single possible set of runes available. Not only that, every game you play you are on some VoiP program in which you tell your teammates what to do. [quote]Less unimportant information to read, meaning my guide is short, easy to understand and contains information you only need to know and that you can utilize at any given moment in your game.[/quote] And if someone else get's Aegis? Am I meant to just get 5 items? Wait. I know. I'll get Quicksilver Sash. Banshee's wasn't even mentioned. [quote] I appreciate the time you took to read it / give "criticism", as you call it, but don't go on a period about me not giving you "praise coming from my ass" when you expected me to "fawn all over" your "criticism." [/quote] You're 12, right? I'm arguing with a 12 year old. [quote]No, I was kind of hoping you'd say something (like I asked!) about how easy it was to understand.[/quote] [color=#ff0080]Yes, your guide was easy to understand :)[/color] [quote]And that's the only thing I wanted from it.[/quote] k, I'll replace the verdict with "[color=#ff0080]Guide was easy to understand.[/color]" [quote]Should I be praising you for telling me that? No.[/quote] I never asked for praise. I asked for a thank you. You did not even give me that. And that saddens me. If you wish to carry on this conversation, feel free to PM me. Otherwise get out, and stay out.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]@Summoner You're still being kind of a jerk. @Searz & Jhoi Do you guys ever think about the fact that visage requires you to heal yourself or you've wasted the gold? And her global ult doesn't really make it worth it because you're saying to get it before you reach level 6. Soul shroud is generally a bad item. The only good thing it gives it a lot of health (and RoA gives more health), the CDR it gives isnt very high, and the mana regen aura is a waste mid-late game. A better item choice would be frozen heart imo...since the aura on it is pretty big if I remember right. Shurelya's + Frozen Heart + Randuin's = max CDR At that point you should replace your CDR boots with Merc's treads.[/quote]

[quote=Summoner][quote]conceded that Dodge is shit[/quote] I never did, why you lie to me. And I've said Adonikam's guide is shit to his face, even before I wrote my guide. Even before I told him to look at it. He still recommended me. Yes, I'm calling all the other Soraka guides bad (ok, not all others as I do like one or two of them for different reasons but no one has noticed them at all and they are outdated, but the top ones, dear god), who run all AP-no survivability-heal-fortify-call flash users bad and stupid-builds. Everyone I've spoken to (vets, mobafire chat users, mobafire vent regulars) all agree with me - they are bad. [s]I don't understand why my pretty pink post was deleted though.[/s] nvm bad browser cache[/quote]