Tiger stance vs Pheonix stance

[quote=DuffTime]I wouldn't. The whole reason Phoenix is so good is because you don't need to focus into your damage. You can build defense instead.[/quote]

[quote=Vort]Generally, that's the case, yes. But there's always the occasional team that fails to do any damage whatsoever.[/quote]

[quote=Embracing]Turtle Bear Turtle Bear Es #1. <3[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Even if the team deals no damage, early to mid Phoe is enough and tanking is going to allow you to get more attacks off, which is where your big damage is coming from ^^ End game it changes and you'll need a madred's against most teams to deal any damage.[/quote]

[quote=Searz]Actually Duff, you kinda need a recurve bow to jungle fast without Wriggle's. I usually build that into a Wit's End right away (cuz, why the heck not?).[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Wut Searz? o_O I go Cloth armor -> and either basic boots or Recurve bow immediately, and Wit's end is my first real item. Then full tank.[/quote]

[quote=Searz]You said that you didn't need to build damage, but you still need wriggle/Wit for your jungle.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]If you want to build more offensive, you can build a combination of [wiki=Wit's End color=purple], [wiki=malady] and [wiki=Madred's Bloodrazor color=brown]. This will give you really heavy dmg. But after [wiki=Wit's End color=purple], you should focus on defence, [wiki=sunfire cape color=brown] is a great item for that, because it also synergies with the rest. [wiki=force of nature color=#0080ff] is also a great defence item for [wiki=Udyr color=brown]. [items=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/item-purchase-planner#&item=12-27-27-27-27-27-1-19-68-78-82-13-26-57-80-83-89][/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS](May have already discussed this but) Is Trinity Force a dominant item for Udyr regardless of primary stance? Meaning Tiger=Triforce is a must; Phoenix=Triforce is considered a viable core item? As well has anyone used Gunblade yet? As I suggested? (I build it 89% of the time tbh if I can get to it.)[/quote]

[quote=Baxxie]I think Phoenix does not have time to get Trinity Force as a core item. 6th item? Yeah, maybe, but not a core item. Tiger can build TriForce because it has everyting you need in it. I mean, it gives the attack speed you need, but as Phoenix, you may'd like to get Madred's Bloodrazor earlier, unless grabbing a lot of tanky items.[/quote]