Taric & Sheen

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]So I've been playing Taric quite a bit the last couple days and I have found that Sheen is very good on him. I've tried two basic build types so far- Tanky AP (this worked the best): Doran's Ring X2 CDR boots Sheen Rod of Ages Lichbane Morello's Guinsoo's/Abyssal Scepter (depending on what I need) Deathcap Triforce tank (this worked moderately well): Boots + 3 pots Sheen Merc's Aegis Triforce Spirit visage Atma's Guardian Angel Thoughts?[/quote]

[quote=JunSupport][[Gemcraft]] - TriForce tank all the way Tank Taric is a strategically better choice because he brings to the team what AP Taric can't. A frontline support who can initiate and wouldn't be focused. I'd get rid of the Atma's though. You don't have much health stacked up. GA and Spirit Visage don't seem too amazing either; you shouldn't be healing just yourself too often, more efficient to heal others. Better to get [[Abyssal Scepter]] and [[Frozen Heart]] and be a beastly aura-tank. I sometimes even get a [[Stark's Fervor]] if the enemy isn't focusing me super hard. Life steal + mana-recovery = I never have to go b![/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]Taric's heal heals him and the ally he clicks on so Spirit Visage worked pretty well. The Atma's isn't something I'd prolly normally buy (I only got it once and I think Abyssal Scepter would be the best replacement). GA could be replaced with FH...hmmm[/quote]

[quote=JunSupport]If your team already has Nuke casters - and you always will - then being a tanky support is better then a squishy support. Two tanks are actually exponentially better - Tanky Taric negates the whole "focus the support" thought-process that is applied against most teams. DPS deal about the same damage as casters - It just takes longer and is less front-loaded. There's also [[Imbue]] to consider. If you're tankier, you can be upfront more often to hit enemy champions to cool your heal and replenish allies more often DURING the crucial team fights. If you're a squishy AP glass-cannon, you can't utilize Imbue as effectively. Lastly, [[Radiance]] gives a super good AD steroid now. For a tank or dps, 70 AD is a BIG deal. Contrarily - The AP steroid is insignificant if you already have 400+ in your build.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]One of the problems with building so little AP is how bad your heals end up being. If you want to play Taric as a tank it's great, but as a support he needs more AP imo.[/quote]

[quote=JunSupport]... [[Imbue]] - [i]"Melee attacks on enemies decrease this spell's cooldown by 1 seconds per hit (3 seconds for champions)."[/i] Tanky Taric heals more often then AP Taric. It evens out that extra AP. This amount is deceptive because one often forgets Imbue heals Taric along with the ally. This means the amount stacks additively against AP Taric. You heal once in a team fight as AP Taric and maybe get 800+ total You heal thrice in a team fight as Tanky Taric on multiple allies and heal 1200+ total The resulting DPS is more reliable then popping [[Shatter]] every 10 seconds too. And to press forth the evidence: [[Zeal]] also gives Taric more attack speed and movement. [[Phage]] gives you an alternate CC source Being able to survive the fight to heal more often is also very relevant to success - That's why Tanky DPS are so good. Like I said: Tanky Taric brings a lot more to the team that AP Taric cannot.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]I know how it works...... As you may have noticed I built Guinsoo's, so I had attack speed to lower the CD. And I had 38% CDR. The problem with Triforce Taric is the fact he fits a different role than my teammates usually want from Taric. Both options work well, they just fit different roles on the team.[/quote]

[quote=JunSupport]I've found [[Guinsoo's Rageblade]] to be obsolete. Building it on Jax and Kayle isn't even worth it anymore. Better to skip it and take items like [[hextech gunblade]]. 8 attacks to get to max stacks. Can AP Taric stand in the middle of teamfight for that long? >...> And why exactly can't you lane as support Tank Taric? He's a tank AND support. You don't have to choose between the two. You can do both on [[Taric]], he's made to work that way. :] Support in lane - Build tanky for late-game.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]I'm stuck at that point where all people want is a heal bot. You forget that it's proc'd by spells too... I never said Triforce was bad, in fact I think it is good. I just also see the merits of Lichbane on him too.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]I agree tank aura taric, but I wouldn't get starks or abyssal. I also agree Triforce is good. I would personally buy, however; Aegis, Frozen Heart, Warmogg's, WotA, Banshee's or FoN. Just walk forward like a real boss. The WotA helps the team a lot along with the Aegis and FH. The rest is just personal benefit tankiness.[/quote]