Least Useful Champ

[quote=Embracing]In high elo / competitive play, you can't do anything "sneaky" (Wards, CV keep the map filled), which is basically what Shaco, Twitch, and Evelynn are suggesting. Therefore they're useless in competitive play. Shaco doesn't work against smart enemies. They will know how Shaco is built in as and counterplay against you. TOP Picks in competitive play: AP Mid: Brand, Orianna, Karthus, Gragas Bruiser Top: Udyr, Singed, Renekton, Galio, Irelia, Talon AD Carry Bot: Kog'Maw, Vayne, Ashe, Urgot, Corki Support: Alistar, Sona, Soraka, Taric Jungler: Nocturne, Lee Sin, Gangplank. Technically any champion with a proper set is viable.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Restrictnine's post is very good, but I don't consider Irelia to be a competitive pick anymore. The nerfs hit her in a bad way, and I also don't think Ezreal carries hard enough to be a legitimate competitive pick either (Even though he's shown up repeatedly recently, you might notice the teams that pick him lose almost without fail). He's a decent pick, not gonna say he's useless like Shaco, but I won't pick him personally because his raw damage is a bit lackluster. It could also just be that the current popular builds suck, I dunno. Same goes for Irelia. On the border of viable, but just a little underwhelming when compared to other potential picks out there. In regards to the Trundle bit, I actually tend to think it's backwards. I pick Trundle on a team to basically be an aggressive tank or an Offtank, on a team with lots of fast damage and low amounts of CC. Good combo's for Trundle; Akali, Talon, Kat, Sona, Vayne. When the pillar comes out, it endangers opponents and keeps your team safe. A Frozen Mallet on Trundle means escape is very unlikely.[/quote]

[quote=Restrictnine#5232]@ Duff, I kinda agree with the Irelia... but some of SK's games, particularly game 1 of semi-finals, Irelia beasted. I think she's become the champ that is only good if you main her. Similar to HSGG's nidalee. Still technically viable, but only if you are pro with her. For Ezreal, I really only think of Chauster. He plays a mean ezreal. The thing about ezreal is he is a purely early game AD carry, and most people think of late game when they hear AD carry. I personally think that he contends for best early game ad ranged with caitlyn. His problem is that he falls off late game hard. I spose Ez is similar to nidalee and Irelia lol.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]I would say so. Wick'd has been doing well with Irelia because he has always utilized her W, and it's basically the only thing that hasn't been nerfed. Zzz :P The real drawback to Ez is that he's a mid early game champion, which is like the worst thing to be as a carry I think. He doesn't crush most lanes, he's countered by both Vayne and Cait in lane, sucks to be Ez since those are two of the best carries right now. And he peaks during a moment where you can't really "Finish" the game generally speaking. I guess if you get like 3 consecutive dragons, 2-3 towers and a Baron due to excellent play, but I'd still rather have Corki. I guess to me Corki is Why I wouldn't pick Ez. If I want a mobile carry Corki's a better pick. (They're not terribly similar, Corki's just a better pick.)[/quote]

[quote=Darcurse]omfg... its funny how ppl facepalm themselves in 2 consecutive posts or less.. They talk about, how you shouldnt try to imitate pros since if they rock using a champ doesnt mean that champ´s viable. Then they start listing champs that are used on tourneys by pros and say that you should pick that instead.... You talk about usefull champs and they´ll tell you that those champs arent viable even if you carry yourself high-elo... (Maybe youre right, but you know that you sound like nothing more than a sore loser if you´d tell that those guys?) Only one sentence to add: If you can utilize a champ against REALLY strong enemies, fucking play him![/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]There's a guy who got 1900 Elo using smite Revive twitch. Twitch #1 OP? No. He took advantage of mistakes people make. ---------------------------------------------------- There's a difference between playing to have fun and playing to be competitive.[/quote]

[quote=theExec]Didn't read through the entire thread.. but I'd say Olaf, not sure if he was mentioned or not, but the only real good thing about him, is his jungle speed. He's really useless other than that...[/quote]

[quote=Darcurse]Yeah and what about all those Twitch players 1600+ who play serious? Yeah right, they all suck for playing a "useless" champ... Maybe hes not the BEST champ out their doing the assassin, so what? If you can play him/If you can win against strong opponents (without being dragged along ofc) and ending up on high elo you guys can say all the fuck you want, but those champs arent useless. If you want to talk about that "competetive gaming" of yours, go off into your own world and get all teary-eyes for those 30+ inch idols of yours... (And ofc go into frenzy when you see some of those "useless" champs raping you) I guess most of the ppl around here are talking about some ordinary gaming and not about "what did that sucker on that tourny do" Use it for some reference but seeing you guys basing your life on it seems somewhat gross.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=theExec] Didn't read through the entire thread.. but I'd say Olaf, not sure if he was mentioned or not, but the only real good thing about him, is his jungle speed. He's really useless other than that... [/quote] The only correct things here is that Olaf is strong and has a quick clear time. The insinuation that he's got no other usefulness is very wrong.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Darcurse I don't even know how to explain this to you. I'm pretty sure it's not possible to explain to you, so I'm going to just state this simply, and leave it at this. You can be successful with a weaker champion. That does not mean it's the best choice to pick that champion. LoCicero is a perfect example of a high Elo player who mained Morganna and Ryze BEFORE they were strong. Suddenly they both got strong, and he's found himself a spot in one of the best teams as a sub. His elo shot up drastically. That's because he was using champions that were bad, and doing just barely good enough. They became good, and suddenly he became a top level player. Not all champions are equal in power. They're just not. Individuals being successful with weak champions doe not prove competitive viability. You'll notice that Double Lift never plays Blitzcrank in competitive games, even though it was his main, which he used to carry himself to high Elo with. His team won't let him, because Blitz isn't a competitive pick. I'll say it again, you can play to win, try hard, and be successful with weak champions. I'm not saying you can't bro. You're taking it into a realm that I'm not even talking about. But if you want to really succeed, play the strongest champions. It's just better.[/quote]