Wit's End on Irelia/No Trin Force, Thoughts?

[quote=Pølsemanden]I must disaggree with evildice and Dufftime although 90-95% of the time Phage is best taking first, but i find situations namely against a renekton or 2 where i didn't feel i could get any lasthits. I thought well, sheen=moreburst=better trades. I was right. Against getting zoned: Sheen Against being zoning : Phage.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Wrong. If you're getting zoned build Wriggle's or resistances against what's zoning you silly willy. It's not like there's ONLY TWO ITEMS Irelia can build in the lane. TF isn't even her best item anymore~[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]TF is situational in my opinion. IMHO Irelia is one of those champions that can go a complete 180 degrees on items and still be well within comfortable viability. In one game maybe I'm having a hard time with an Olaf top, so I grab [[Randuin's Omen]] to deal with his physical damage and grab [[Force of Nature]] so I have some extra sustain to help me deal with [[Reckless Swing]] if I get hit by it. Then I get Atmog's and [[Wit's End]] so I have some damage and tankiness. In another game maybe I'm doing amazingly well against a Cho. I rush [[Sheen]] and later grab TF and [[Youmuu's Ghostblade]] or [[Madred's Bloodrazor]] to give me some more damage along with Atmog's and [[Guardian Angel]] so I'm still tanky enough to soak up damage. Both reasonably viable builds...both extremely situational. Or maaaaaaaaaybe I'm just on crack.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Wickd occasionally rushes Youmuu's so nope, it would seem not cracklike to me~ I would get Wriggle's vrs Olaf however~ ^_^[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]Aaah ok ^_^ Having never solo'd against an Olaf, I wasn't sure what to get do deal with him.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]You need the most disgusting amount of sustain the world has ever known. :P[/quote]

[quote=Searz]Or range and mobility. Works too.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Not so far~ Range and mobility have been easy as pie to deal with. Still looking for match ups that beat Olaf and so far I've found none. Ryze goes even. Ryze was by far the toughest lane to date. It was hard from start to finish. Corki did well, won early but then Olaf came back and won later, and the lane ended dead even although the tide had swung in Olaf's favor. And I still suspect a really good Irelia could give Olaf a run for his money but I've trashed all the Irelia's I've tried so far :P[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=DuffTime] You need the most disgusting amount of sustain the world has ever known. :P [/quote] Nunu with flat CDR page, all CDR masteries, and hard rush of Spirit Visage CHECK.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=DuffTime] You need the most disgusting amount of sustain the world has ever known. :P [/quote] so wriggles + FoN? haha[/quote]