Some critics on LoL

[quote=panagia]Hi to all . I have been playing lol for about 2 years. I also used to be a fanatic dota player for 6 years and i was really happy when lol came out as at last there was a new game (REally new not like hon and dota2 which are exact copies of dota) in the path of dota.However there are some syrious problems in lol that get worse as time passes . And i would like to do whatever i can to erase these problems. (figured i should start trying from forumes) YES I AM TALKING ABOUT THE LACK OF BALANCE WICH IS EVEN GETTING HIGHER IN LOL. All you ppl who are playing ranked games at >1600 rating have seen that there about 20 champions that are picked over and over and the rest are either underpowered and you will get an afk player on your team if you pick them (mundo,heimer,karma) or just not imba. IN ALL GAMES PICKS AND BANS YOU WILL SEE GRAVES KASSADIN MORGANA VAYNE RAMMUS RIVEN GANKPLANK SHACKO JANNA and about 20 other powerfull champs that are on half games like udyr skanner brand cassiopia xerath trynda akali fizz irelia karthus sion. Half of the champions i didnt mention above are rarely used. In my point of view the reason this happens is that riot releases 1 new champion every 2 weeks . Riot wants to make money from that champion so he is overpowered 99% of the time . Resent examples are fizz,ahri,riven,graves. Ofcorse these new champions get nerfed within a month or two. But on this period of time before the nerf these beasts are playble on ranked games normally (somehting that wasnt happening in dota for obvious reasons : there was the stable map and the latest map, one official and one beta)Although dota wasnt even an indipendant game it showed more respect on this matter then lol. So the way i see it this beast champions forced riot to buff old favorite champions so they can be played again . And here we have the trynda buff and the gankplank buff and alot of other older buffs so that these champs can stand as equals to the beasts riot release every two weeks. My point is that a year ago in the >1600 rating games of season 1 ,the few of us who remeber those games will remember alot of kiting and much more epic battles. You didnt have brand/cassiopia/talon back then dealing 1500 aoe dmg in 2 seconds. Neither an ad carry like vayne and graves. You would play with epic ashe kiting and kiting for hours.Now you got graves .... what a smart champ:you jump and you blast your spells , and if you blasted em right you do tons of dmg :overpowered spell combination. There is a reason why you dont put 2 stun abilities in one champs,the same reason why the guy who created graves must be mentally underdeveloped or just not qualified for the job.... I would have said the same staff for nocture when it first was realesed and nocture is still a very bad combination of skills character living you very few options to avoid his combo,BUT GUESS WHAT he is not good enough to stand against the beasts!! The bigger problem of balance is the champions. But it is not the only problem ,it just shadows the rest of the game's problems. The way i see it the game is in the same stage as dota was in v5.84 . It needs a large patch without changes like : sions shield get 90% ap instead of 100%, but with real changes. THE OTHER PROBLEMS : SUMMONER SPELLS & ITEMS. SUMMONERS SPELLS In dota there was a time when you could buy the DAGGER OF ESCAPE which was nerfed and renamed to KELENS DAGGER. This item did the same thing as flash does only in a bigger distanse. When it was renamed it was nerfed to not be able to use it when you have taken hero dmg. I remeber that when it was nerfed all of dota community was shouting that they didnt like the nerf and that the game would be less energetic : ridiculous. This nerf alone enalbed (back then) many other hereos to be played as you no longer needed to have tons of burst and stun to kill your enemy before he would flashout (blinkout). The overpowered mechanism of flash together with tons of walls and forests to jump on the other side forced riot to buff the rest of summoner spells to similar lvls of power: and so we have exhuast buff , the heal buff , ghost being rebalansed onse every 2-3 months, the flash nerf resently, clense buff. And still 9/10 of players still pick flash. These changes didnt balanse an extrimly crusial for battles summoners spell : flash, but also all summoner spells ended up being more powerfull then any noneulti spell in the game . I belive that the starting intention of summoner spells was to have a small boost using them and that boost would be more likely to counter your opponents strategy. Thats what i belive riot really intended to do in the start. E.g. you would pick ignite to counter champion like soraka and mundo , you would pick exhuast to counter heavy ad , teleport for map mobility , fortify (sadly not gamebreaking like the rest of the summoner spells) would give you time to defend your nexus. Sadly as i said the way summoners are you rarely pick them to counter an enemy . They are so powerfull that a vayne will just pick a flash clense without even looking at the enemy team combo,same goes for most champs , a malzahar will pick flash ignite(90% of ap carries will pick flash ignite infact). I would like to see fortify in game , i would also like to see heal(not this imba aoe one you can get now , but a reasonable heal) in game , i would like to see many teleports(not in wards in bushes ... thats pretty retarded if you ask me ,but on towers), i would also like to see flash and with a bigger range then its current,but only for engaging , not for escaping through walls ... you rarely see flash used in late game for anything else then disengaging a bad possioning in fight,or avoiding getting caught alone.(i am always talking about high rating games , cuase these are the games you have a better point of view of what is balansed and what is not).O yeah i also dont like smite , this one i think it just shouldnt exist.Most characters that jungle can jungle now without smite anyway. And having a summoner only for stealing baron and dragon is a bit stupid .It just seems stupid ... if you wanna steal imba baron still it with balls not with one more imba stupid useless summoner spell . Lol smite gets me in a delirium.(btw i love jungling dont get me wrong) ANYWAY I BELIVE THAT RIOT IS EMBARACED OF DOING THE OBVIOUS NEEDED CHANGE ON FLASH THAT DOTA DID 6 YEARS AGO ON KELENS DAGGER, AS A RESULT YOU GET ALL THESE EXTREMLY POWERFULL AND GAMEBREAKING SUMMONER SPELLS WHICH ARE MUCH MORE POWERFULL THEN ANY NORMAL SPELL. WHICH AS I SAID ARE NOT USED TO COUNTER ENEMY STRATEGIES AND CHAMPIONS. MOST CHAMPIONS OF LOL WILL PICK THEIR SUMMONERS BLINDFOLDED. ITEMS: You are a vayne farming botom lane. (You know your champion benefits very much from attack speed). You come back to base with 3000g . What do you buy?. There are 2 senarios . Senario1 you buy a blood thirster: bonus to attack speed 0. Senario 2 you buy a wriggles lantern: bonus to attack speed 0. Analise this and you will get why items are retardidly imbalased on lol , in a point that the game becomes boring . I was watching the other day candy pandas stream. He played ashe with infinity edge phantom danser, tristana with infinity edge phantom dancer , caitlin with infinity edge phantom dancer, vayne with infinity edge phantom danser , mf with infinity edge phantom dancer. After that i started skipping my trinity with ezreal and going straight for the infinity... the numbers on that critical you see, are really HIGH!. If riot had the balls and the brains they would nerf hard all the following items: warmongs,rabadons,infinity,bt,blackcleaver,rodofages,wriggles,phantomdancer,trinity,hextech. So that players can make builds on their champs based on their play stile , not being forced to play the op. Aaa! i forgot the most op quisilversash this should just go to the garbage. WARDS: This is a special case of items. I KNOW I AM ASKING ALOT BUT WARDS SHOULD HAVE THEIR OWN SLOT(NOT HOLDING ONE OF YOUR SIX INVENTORY SLOTS) AND THEIR OWN HOTKEY.AND OBVIOUSLY YOU SHOULDNT BE ABLE TO BUY 1500 WARDS. THEY BUFFED SUPPORT GIVING THEM ALOT OF GP10 AND WHAT DO SUPPORT DO WITH THIS GOLD ? THEY STAY AS MUCH BACK AS POSSIBLE WITH THEIR ORACLE , THEY PLACE WARDS AND THEY DESTROY WARDS. AND THEN YOU BUY MORE WARDS. AND THE GAME ENDS WITH A SCORE: 0-2-18 OR SOMETHING AND THE 18 ARE BECAUSE YOU THROW 1 TORNADO ON THE ENEMY BEFORE HE DIED. BBOOOOORRRIIIIIINNNNNGGGGG!!!!!!! THE SMARTEST THING RIOT COULD DO TO MAKE SUPPORT INTRESTING FOR PLAYERS, WOULD BE TO LIMIT THE WARDS FOR EACH PLAYER IN GAME . EACH PLAYER LIMITED TO BUYING 1 WARD PER 5 MINUTE OR SOMETHING SIMILAR . AND NO MORE WARD FROM WRIGGLES. This way support would be able to use their money to something other then wards... ALSO NO ORACLE ===> NO 20 SECS INV TWICH, NO FLASH INV CRICAL SHACKO(ALL THESE IN 1 SKILL) WHAT I WANNA SAY IS THAT YOU DONT NEED TRUE SIGHT IF YOU MAKE INV SPELLS RESONABLE . TWICH AT LVL 9 CAN MOVE ACCROSS ALL THE MAP WITH 1 INV. BALANCE INV SKILLS INSTEAD OF NERFING THE CHARACTERS THAT HAVE THE SKILL . EVELIN IS NERFED TO BEING USELESS BUT HER INV SKILL IS STILL IMBA: NO BRAINS!!! All this ofcorse means less wards on the map. And if you dont nerf baron and dragon this is not possible, because of the extreme bonuses these two give you. A tEAm which quetly kill baron minute 25 will most likely win the game . OTHER STUFF I dont like how powerfull baron buff is with this extrem inbattle regeneration, the fact that dragon gives better reward then a tower and the fact that your nexus falls in seconds if your team gets aced.[/quote]

[quote=Searz]While you're wrong about a lot of stuff, I must agree that Riot is getting progressively worse at balancing.[/quote]

[quote=TheJohn]You wrote a lot, I'm not gonna read everything, but here are my thoughts: #1: LoL is a bad game, RIOT wants the money. If you want a serious competitive game, play DotA or HoN #2: Wards should have a special slot #3: I agree that LoL was much better some time ago #4: [b]Please, dont say anything about this comment, I dont want to know what you think about it. I know that the way I see Flash is wrong, but I just dont like it[/b] Most people get Flash because they think it saves your life. Imo, its totally useless, I prefer Ghost, but 90% of the players doesnt agree with me #5: RIOT does nothing with some champions because people dont use them. You dont see Maokai changes, Eve rework, Heimer changes because few people pick them[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]Wall of text. Do not care to read much of it. Riven was [b]underpowered[/b] on release. She was so bad, RIOT had to hotfix her. Same with Lee Sin and Yorick. Old champs have to be buffed to be competitive? No. Take Trundle or Maokai for example. Never changed on Trundle's behalf and Maokai has gotten 1 or 2 small buffs. Mostly quality of life changes. They are still competitive. The reason that most AP carries pick Flash/Ignite is that it is such a useful combo. It allows you to be aggressive if you need to while also getting you out of stupid situations. Stopped about there.[/quote]

[quote=Nighthawk]I read the whole thing. I'm pretty proud of myself. On the other hand I think my IQ dropped by like 20 points... >.>[/quote]

[quote=MajorLoL]Honestly LoL is an ok game,if you're chill and don't like raging.Competitively it's horrible.There's so much bullshit in the game,and riot's bad at balancing,so they only make it worse most times.Take [[Gangplank]] critting for 700 at lvl 5,or [[Nidalee]] one-shotting people with spears and sucking everywhere else.I could go on for days for how badly the game is balanced,but I've played the game so much and it's alot of fun.It's really wierd when i think about it.[/quote]

[quote=Searz]Riot was good at balancing, but it seems they recently went full retard for some reason. @TheJohn You're the last person who should talk about how LoL is competitively..[/quote]

[quote=TheJohn][quote=Searz] Riot was good at balancing, but it seems they recently went full retard for some reason. @TheJohn You're the last person who should talk about how LoL is competitively.. [/quote] You have never seen me playing, so you cant say this kind of thing[/quote]

[quote=Zeprido]Why is there a blog post in the theorycrafting sub forum? O.o[/quote]

[quote=Wintermond]tl;dr: Random rage thread. Every champion is viable in all solo queue games, you only have to know how to play him. And I don't see a problem with champions that are relatively stronger than others. Okay, I read most of it quick and I have to say that I question your competence. Everything you said in the OP is complete bullshit.[/quote]