New Layout.

[quote=DuffTime]Can someone explain the new front page layout to me, and explain why best of 30 days is no longer the first thing displayed when a person opens the MobaFire page?[/quote]

[quote=jhoijhoi]I imagine Matt and Flash hoped that Scouted guides would have went over nicer than it has, leading it great guides featured on the front page. Not just the best of 30 days, but the best "of all time" deemed so by scouts. However, currently guests are exposed to sub-par guides (guides that may have been rec'd by vets a long time ago and forgotten) until more scout points are given out, or the scout point threshold is lowered.[/quote]

[quote=Mowen]I talked with Duff a bit about this. I believe Duff was concerned with the ability for new guides to get publicity when the Best of 30 Days is not the first thing newcomers see. The only way for a guide to get a good score is to get enough votes to hit the best of 30 days group and then continue getting votes from there. So I think Duff felt like the Scout's opinions were overpowering the ability for new guides to get good ratings, which I must agree with is an issue. I am not sure which one is more important though. Publicizing new guides or publicizing scouted guides, I will leave that up to Matt to decide.[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard][quote=Mowen] The only way for a guide to get a good score is to get enough votes to hit the best of 30 days group and then continue getting votes from there. [/quote] That's not true. I don't disagree with prioritizing the 30 days list, but that's not the only way to get votes.[/quote]

[quote=Mowen]Sorry then. The only way to get a good score without having 30 friends upvote your guide.[/quote]

[quote=Nighthawk]Downvotes > Upvotes Why upvote a guide when you can downvote it and have twice or even three times the impact?[/quote]

[quote=jhoijhoi]Mowen: Since when do newcomers read new guides? Most people read the top 1-3 guides for the champion they want to check out until they start to enjoy MobaFire and just read everything. I think it's better for newcomers to be exposed to good guides, guides that have community approval, than new guides.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000][quote=Mowen] The only way for a guide to get a good score is to get enough votes to hit the best of 30 days group and then continue getting votes from there. [/quote] [quote=Mowen] Sorry then. The only way to get a good score without having 30 friends upvote your guide. [/quote] ^ This.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=PsiGuard] That's not true. I don't disagree with prioritizing the 30 days list, but that's not the only way to get votes. [/quote] The only way to get votes (Lots of votes) is to be the first thing that shows up on the front page. The active Moba community is the smallest part of it's community as a whole. Most members just log on to check a guide and log out. Most viewers never log in at all, just simply open the page, read a guide, close the page, continue on their way. Everyone should have equal access to this traffic flow of less active viewers and voters, and if anything scout recs and such should be an avenue to reach that, not be the main object and the instrument behind that. To be clear, I am saying that a scout point should not be the reason that the flow of tens or hundreds of thousands viewers see a person's guide. That may even carry MORE weight than a rec point did before in some regards. As it stands, those points are still carrying too much weight now and it's in many ways comparable to how it was before as a result, because the first thing the people who are not familiar with MobaFire see is the first thing that shows up. (Which right now are guides with scout votes) It's fine if the guides of 30 days are not the first thing on the page, but I don't believe we will ever get any new guides into #1 or #2 places without the 30 days guides being close to the top. If our goal of the website is to be fair and balanced with our users, then we are not doing that by prioritizing scout points over best guides of thirty days. Unless something new is developed, I feel that might be the only way to get newer guides towards the top. [quote=Mowen] I am not sure which one is more important though. Publicizing new guides or publicizing scouted guides, I will leave that up to Matt to decide. [/quote] If the goal of removing "Vet recs"and implementing "Scout points" was to decrease the influence of individual voters strength, then putting scout rec'd guides as the first thing you see undoes a lot of the progress made in implementing the scout point system. Even if guides with scout points are the second or third thing you see, the impact is drastically different. Personally I am not against scout points carrying impact, I just think "Best of 30 day" guides should still ideally be the first thing a player sees when they open League. [quote=Mowen] The only way to get a good score without having 30 friends upvote your guide. [/quote] Absolutely the case. Only more active users will be able to get guides voted up because active users have more access to the scouts who will be giving the scout points. Other users, who may be new, (I myself for example didn't even know MobaFire had a forum when I made my first guide, which is still my highest rated guide to date thanks to best guide of 30 days.) may be unable to get the votes, and their guide may just rest dead forever, because realistically the only way to get publicity on a guide is to be one of the first things that show up on the page.[/quote]

[quote=Nighthawk][quote=DuffTime]Other users, who may be new, (I myself for example didn't even know MobaFire had a forum when I made my first guide, which is still my highest rated guide to date thanks to best guide of 30 days.) may be unable to get the votes, and their guide may just rest dead forever, because realistically the only way to get publicity on a guide is to be one of the first things that show up on the page.[/quote] By your logic I should have the 91% GP guide and not Balrox Says Hi then, right? Rest of that I agree with though, you NEED your guide on best of 30 or even having 30 friends upvote won't help you- because 1 or 2 downvotes fuck you up.[/quote]