Ryze Counters

[quote=Vitigam]I agree with what Duff said, I don't think [[Vayne]] really needs to be nerfed. But if she does, she should get a small buff as well. Maybe nefing somtthing like the range or maybe base ad.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Her range is already so short that it makes her a questionable pick. Can't nerf that.[/quote]

[quote=Vitigam]@Duff: Ok Cool, then maybe if they did nerf her, maybe on her ULt? And back on topic, how do you think [[ryze]] would do against [[Gragas]]. IMO, I think [[Gragas]] counters Ryze, and would win lane. What you guys all think?[/quote]

[quote=Somalie]U can nerf all number in her kit, this one is just the best : AS scaling with W, AD scaling with Q and AD boost with R. Remember when they nerfed her on ult and Q, it was funny but she's still a monster in late game. Cassio can do good against ryze, the better choice is still to ban both :D[/quote]

[quote=gero yamaza]For me, I see Gragas as I see Cassipoeia, you buys boots and as long as you aren't predictable in movement you should be ok. Never have issues with either of them when I go boot+3pot path at start[/quote]

[quote=Vitigam]Cool, I juse used [[Ryze]] and I got destroyed by [[Kennen]] :( He pushed to my tower and I missed most of my farm pre-6. After I was able to farm a bit. And my jungler never helped me though he was so pushed. I don't know? Does [[Kennen]] counter [[Ryze]] or was that a mis-play on my part?[/quote]

[quote=Syther Blade]not to familliar with [[Kennen]] but he seems like a good counter. He's quick with good range[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian]Kennen is strong against skill shot/placement skill champions because he has a spammable Move Speed buff. That is useless against [[ryze]] because all his skills are targetted, and the snare completely stops [[kennen]]'s combos. @Vitigam Just last hit well at your tower :p Or get blue buff and [[catalyst the protector]] and a Tear and spam away.[/quote]

[quote=Acid Reigns]Kassadin can beat Ryze.[/quote]

[quote=CasterMaster][quote=Acid Reigns] Kassadin can beat Ryze. [/quote] Wrong. A decent [[ryze]] player will smoke [[kassadin]] any day (esp if [[ryze]] took [[cleanse]]). Just leave it [[talon]]. I have to say [[viktor]] is prob a good counter to [[ryze]] as well[/quote]