Thoughts on Backdooring

[quote=Trojan995][quote=Diesel] Even though backdooring is a legit strategy, I just don't like it: but only because I enjoy the eventual big team fight after mid game ends, and it ruins the experience for me when one character is off ramming towers and not focusing on killing the enemy team. I don't want to say it's cowardly since there are champions who specialize in that type of play, but I frown upon it since it seems to me like a fairer win if you defeat the other opponents in a fight instead of dodging them and backdooring. [/quote] qft[/quote]

[quote=Jebus McAzn]I guess it comes right back down again to the argument of fun against anti-fun, and nobody really wants to talk about that again...[/quote]

[quote=Deathwalker8000]its fine doesnt happen every game though[/quote]

[quote=anikilador]OMG, i just cant believe what i saw, im shoked, i cant understand why ppl post that things, well will say what i think about backdoor. backdoor is a shitt, sorry for the word but that is. "LEGITIMATE"? is LEGITIMATE take ball whit hands in futbol (soccer for us ppl)?, is LEGITIMATE shoot ball whit foots in basketball? is LEGITIMATE play 3 times on same turn in chess? no cause if you do that you ruin those games, those games not allow that actions cause ruin those games. Well thats what backdoor makes to dota (lol). Well for start will explain this point, sometimes after ppl backdor i say them "hey man backdoor isnt allowed in dota" and they say "this is lol not dota" -____- . Well must say that, lol is actually dota, cause is dota concept, dota estructure, which basically is 3 lanes defendant by 3 towers per lane, and a center (nexus) that must be protected over any cost. Also have minions (crepps in dota) who are automatically sended to fight again minions of enemy team, and course again heros (champions). Got neutrals too and are similar (for not say same) in almost all things. Well thats dota concept for explain that point, isnt an insult or any like that to lol, just same dota logic. Well following whit this idea will explain why backdoor is similar to take ball whit hands in futbol. For start will say what backdoor is, cause maybe someone doesnt know. Backdoor is basically attack a tower or inibitor whit no minions at your side, so whit no wabe of minions. Minions work like waves, thats the logic of the game, thats the structure, waves of minions crash and heros must make the diference to unbalance the fight. Why im telling this? cause the waves are the foundations of the game and minions the stone who build. Most people not respect minions, cause they relatively weak, but minions have fundamentals roles in game. First they allow you to get gold (farm), also they tank damage for you (especially at start), but the most important thing is that they show the currently position of the waves. Thats the way me and my teamates know when comes a farm and can go to take it, or when enemies are sieging (pushing towers), thats the role who play the enemies and allies waves of minions. Well, whit this explained, towers must be pushed whit minions not only cause towers are too strong and make a lot of damage to heros, or cause minions will make a hugh damage to towers but, basically is cause we must know when enemies are pushing, if we not see we cant defend. You win this game, farming (last hits), killing heros, surviving, being smart and playing as team; not sending 2 heros (one of them yi) at min 45 to kill a tower when our wave of minions is pushing his own tower of same lane; lets use brains guys, have that sense? Some could say, and actually they did in post, that in war or strategy game all is allowed, that is legitimate, but i never hear a logic argument for defend why backdoor must be allowed, thats cause it doesnt exist. You can be "smart" for win in futbol and take ball whit hands, course you can, but its again the rules; same way backddor its agains the rules cause breack the armoni of the game, the sent of the game, the estructure of the game. You can breack it?, of course you can since moment got enought armor and damage for do it fast, and tower can be damaged; but if use that logic i can say when play futbol can take whit hands cause mi hands can actually take the ball, the point is, the referee will show me a red card and will must leave the game; well if use same logics must ban or at leats report ppl who backdoor cause ISNT ALLOWED IN DOTA; ITS AGAINST THE NATURAL RULES OF GAME; just like make 3 moves in chess is again the natural rules of that game; its doesnt work is you can play 3 consecutive times. Well i hope you had understood mi idea about backdoor, sorry for my type if some part wasnt undertood but mi english isnt mi natural language. Hope can say something about mi post cause BACKDOOR is a fundamental thing to work on it and lol comunity must agree to some position, lol admins must take a position too about it cause cant keep playing whit this paradox; or allow backdoor ( any reason to do it) or finally make the right thing and forbide it, like is in all other dota games.[/quote]

[quote=Bittersweet]Backdooring is one of those stratergies you use if your either at a stalemate, or as a method to get back into the game. If the enemy team is roaming together making laning difficult, why shouldn't you backdoor the area's they're not at?[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian]It's legitimate. If you lose because of it, it's because you had no map awareness. So if you don't think it's legit, then map awareness and wards aren't legit. Also, dat necro.[/quote]

[quote=letsgoROSH]I feel like the people that played DotA, are saying that there was a reason that it was banned; and that the people that do in fact backdoor in game, say it is a legitimate strategy. [b]Do keep in my mind, I am considering "BD" to be one champion, with NO minions, attacking the other team's base.[/b] In all honesty, I see why people do it, but I think it's just a low move. It's basically like saying "I can't beat you face to face, so I'm going to stab your back". You don't do that in a fight. Just like a brawl between two guys, you don't hit the balls. It's just rude and ungentlemanly. It's taking advantage of the other person. And yes, I do understand the idea of doing whatever it takes to win. Here is my solution: just flat out beat them in lane. "But Yi was meant to BD!" I say don't pick Yi. Hey problem solved. Just because some champion you claim to be "OP" is beating you and your team in fights, doesn't give you the right to just go backdoor. TL;DR I don't like it[/quote]

[quote=A Chubby Baby]love this, but map awareness can counter this like a boss. if your team is a good distraction, it can be a great weapon for an easy win or turn around.[/quote]

[quote=xIchi]Well Backdoor is just an upgraded form of Splitpush. In both cases your team has to hold a 4v5 and you can Backdoor. Most ppl already flame about Backdoor, when you're pushing a Lane while they are somewhere else... That would be called Splitpush <.< or just pushing lol... Anyway... I love'd the Backdoor/Splitpush Strat... back then without the Meta: TP + CV Panth/TF. A Singed who can do 1v5 anyway.. Mb Karthus and some other guy... awesome... but then the nerfs...[/quote]

[quote=LaronX]It is legit. Everytime you see that guy hitting on yout tier 2 towers you can force stuff or push has 5. You either will get that fed that you can send one to defend and while the rest still beats the team or just win by faster pushing then one guy. It is kind of your fault if you let him push past the tier 2 tower without forcing stuff like baron or pushing for an inhib.[/quote]