New early meta build for AD carries ?

[quote=Mazuran][quote=DuffTime] (P.S, VAYNE is a unique case where her ult gives a shit ton of damage and she doesn't always have to rush damage early. My old Vayne build was Wriggle's / PD / I.E. for that very reason.) [/quote] PD is possibly even more important to rush on Vayne beacuse she runs soooooo slow it's unreal. Also to abuse that true damage. Not quite sure whether PD gives more deeps than IE on Vayne though.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Er, most of her damage isn't from her W, it's from her ulti running through the crit multipliers.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]And against a [[cho'gath]] with 6 [[warmog's armor]] and 6 [[feast]] stacks?[/quote]

[quote=Klausenheim][quote=NicknameMy] And against a [[cho'gath]] with 6 [[warmog's armor]] and 6 [[feast]] stacks? [/quote] If that is what you are running against on a normal basis, yeah her W is probably better. Then again, I bet stacking pure PD's on Vayne is best because of this one really random and obscure scenario that I just thought up to prove my point. The truth of the matter is I think people are just now starting to realize that not all AD bot's excel with the exact same cookie cutter starting items. [[Vayne]], imo, requires mobility and sustain early because she can barely crawl along and her autoattack range is pathetic. The upside is that you get a ton of steroids in her kit, so missing out on a [[Doran's Blade]] or two won't ruin you. Additionally the mobility lets you get in better positions for [[Condemn]]. Win-Win. On the other hand, if you are playing [[Caitlyn]] and know how to position yourself you probably don't give two craps about rushing a vampiric scepter because you shouldn't be getting harassed much if at all. Back to the story at hand, I still haven't had the chance to try HoG bot lane. I can sort of imagine a scenario where it would be good, but it just seems so dependent on having a poor laning partner and poor ability to CS.[/quote]

[quote=Adovid]Champion like Ashe I just have to have flat AD from either dorans blade or never go back till I can get bfs. Other AD carries not so much a problem.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]I mean, even if you buy a LW you're gonna probably deal more physical damage to full tanks than true damage anyway. And full tanks are becoming a rarity, not many champions can even be successful with a full tank build anymore.[/quote]

[quote=utopus][quote]not many champions can even be successful with a full tank build anymore[/quote] Well There's always darius ;)[/quote]

[quote=Pølsemanden]I'm sorry slappiz, but let me just tell you where it's at! You're an AD-carry you want to do tha damages! If you wanna go for a Gold per 5 item, you need avarice! What I do now: first i go for lifesteal quints and a Doran's Blade start, which gives me 12% lifesteal and lets me win trades early on, the 6% lifesteal is the only thing keeping me in lane and 9/10 times it works out just fine, the 10th time(my support derped, i derped, i lagged or something) i do get stomped. But i think of it as high risk high reward. But now to the revolutionary thing. I build Avarice Blade Doran's Blade - Boots of Speed - Avarice Blade(or another doran's, depending on the champion and how i'm doing and the state of the lane) - Berzerker's greaves - [[Infinity Edge]] - Phantom Dancer or The Bloodthirster everything past 7 minutes of having [[Avarice Blade]] is pure profit. With my 12% lifesteal, i don't even need a fucking bloodthirster, i can get the deeps with 37% crit chance and IE! You've seen dis shit in action, both on corki and trist, and it worked out quite fine both times.[/quote]

[quote=Slappiz]Ofc 12% lifesteal and [[avarice blade]] works, it's a better choice for a offensive lane for sure. But building a [[heart of gold]] is a awesome choice for a passive lane, and I've been testing it a lot lately and at works really good. There is always different tactics, kill lane, poke lane or farm lane and tbh the HoG fits the farm lane perfectly. But I wouldn't use the HoG for a kill lane, that's for sure.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=utopus] [quote]not many champions can even be successful with a full tank build anymore[/quote] Well There's always darius ;) [/quote] Even on full tank Darius builds it's great to have 50-100 or so AD to make his ulti hit really hard with 5 stacks and make his Q count for more :) Often times Maw + Fromal is all the Ad you need on Durriuz. Tank items afford him longer exposure for stacking which then turns into damage.[/quote]