question on shyvana?

[quote=roninin]so before i used to use this build very good, anyways my question is what is so wrong with it now, maybe its just i havent used her in a while and got rusty or bad team, but i digress, this is my build which i used to be extremely proud of until last match where i just got stomped on. dagger-beserker greaves-phage-sunfire cape-frozen mallet-malady-wit's end-bloodthirster. i normally get top lane and off jungle every now in then[/quote]

[quote=Totallynotn00b]Starting with a dagger is a nono. You have zero sustain. Zerker greaves also seems a bit wierd to me on shyvana. Always seemed better if you built the tankier side. Bit like, merc treads, wriggles lantern, Heart of gold -> randuins. that jazz. But that opener is horrible =/[/quote]

[quote=roninin]so madred-wriggles-heart of gold-merc-phage-wit's end-sheen-trinity force-atma/warmog-randuin's omen. something like that?[/quote]

[quote=Totallynotn00b]Depends who you're laning against. Shyvana top isn't really seen much, but i guess vs most tops you would do ok. Im no top specialist I might add, but I know that your original build was begging to be stomped on D= I.e, vs vlad/kennnen you would go boots x3HP pot, -> double null magic mantle -> merc treads + wits end.[/quote]

[quote=Jpikachu1999]Are you jungling her? If you are, the best starts are [[Cloth Armor]] + 5 [[Health potion]]s or [[Boots of speed]] + 3 [[Health Potion]]s. Shyvana is best built tankier, but you can go one of several ways. A final build should look something like this: [[Mercury's Treads]] [[Wriggle's Lantern]] [[Wit's End]] [[Frozen Mallet]] [[Atma's Impaler]] [[Randuin's Omen]] Build order something like this: [[Boots Of speed]] + 3 [[Health Potion]]s [[Vampiric Scepter]] [[Madred's Razors]] [[Wriggle's Lantern]] [[Phage]] [[Mercury's Treads]] [[Wit's End]] [[Frozen Mallet]] [[Atma's Impaler]] or [[Randuin's Omen]] [[Atma's Impaler]] or [[Randuin's Omen]] Alternative Purchase Order: [[Boots of Speed]] + 3 [[Health Potion]]s [[Vampiric Scepter]] [[Wriggle's Lantern]] [[Heart of Gold]] [[Mercury's Treads]] [[Phage]] [[Wit's End]] [[Frozen Mallet]] [[Randuin's Omen]] [[Atma's Impaler]] Obviously you can build situationally with [[Force of Nature]], [[Warmog's Armor]], and [[Guardian Angel]]. If you get enough gold you can replace [[Wriggle's Lantern]] with [[The Bloodthirster]]. Generally, [[Frozen Mallet]] is better than [[Warmog's Armor]] for Shyvana, as she has no innate CC, and pretty much relies on that slow for better ganks/chases. [[Trinity Force]] gives too many wasted stats to be useful on Shyvana, and is pretty expensive for a jungle build. It also gives a slow, which is wasted if you buy [[Frozen Mallet]]. If you are going top lane, your final build should look slightly different: [[Mercury's Treads]] [[Wit's End]] [[Frozen Mallet]] [[Warmog's Armor]] [[Atma's Impaler]] [[The Bloodthirster]] You can use the same sort of build for jungle in top lane, but you aren't going to be ganking much as top lane and you get more gold from it. Top Purchase Order: [[Boots of speed]] + 3 or 4 [[Health Potion]]s 2 [[Doran's Blade]]s [[Phage]] [[Wit's End]] [[Vampiric Scepter]] [[Mercury's Treads]] [[Frozen Mallet]] [[Atma's Impaler]] [[The Bloodthirster]] [[Warmog's Armor]] I'm not an extensive Shyvana player, but I hoped I helped you.[/quote]

[quote=roninin]it did help so thanks all who commented[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Malady is awful garbage noob shit. :) That's the weakest link in your build. Also I think ninja Tabi and or Merc are probly better than berz.[/quote]

[quote=Jpikachu1999]^^ You're very comforting Duff[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian]Are you in jungle or in lane? Jungle: Start [[boots of speed]] + 3 [[health potion]]s or [[cloth armor]] + 5 [[health potion]]s. Go into [[wriggle's lantern]], boots if you haven't already, then two [[doran's blade]]s [b]if you want[/b]. [[heart of gold]] for gold income. Tier 2 boots here, ONLY between [[mercury's treads]] or [[ninja tabi]], everything else is pretty bad IMHO. [[phage]] here for ganking power. By now your slots are all full up if you had 2 dblades. Buy [[wit's end]] next, then [[frozen mallet]], [[randuin's omen]], and situational last item. Usually you're tanky enough by now to get damage, but survivability is good too. In short: [icon=wriggle's lantern][icon=mercury's treads]/[icon=ninja tabi][icon=frozen mallet][icon=wit's end][icon=randuin's omen] then situational. Laning: Kind of similar, except [[doran's blade]] stacking are better than [[wriggle's lantern]], you don't need the early [[phage]], and you might want to go [[trinity force]] [[warmog's armor]] [[atma's impaler]] instead of [[randuin's omen]] [[frozen mallet]] situational item. Btw, [[the black cleaver]], [[the bloodthirster]], or any high AD item is STRONK on her, those two in specific. :3[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian][quote=Jpikachu1999] Generally, [[Frozen Mallet]] is better than [[Warmog's Armor]] for Shyvana, as she has no innate CC, and pretty much relies on that slow for better ganks/chases. [[Trinity Force]] gives too many wasted stats to be useful on Shyvana, and is pretty expensive for a jungle build. It also gives a slow, which is wasted if you buy [[Frozen Mallet]]. [/quote] Sorry, just read this and wanted to comment :P Wat. [[trinity force]] is one of THE best items for [[shyvana]], PERIOD. Don't give me that wasted stats crap, you only waste the mana. The proc completely synergizes well with her Q, she has extremely high base stats which are boosted by [[trinity force]], it has a slow that you *WILL* proc because of AA + [[twin bite]], and move speed which is difficult to find from items that actually benefit [[shyvana]]. The AP helps your E, which in turn give you MORE on-hit damage, and it all goes back to synergy with the stats. Also, if the mana is wasted, then why do people buy [[lich bane]] on [[akali]], or [[trinity force]] on [[lee sin]]? Because the item is too damn good for them.[/quote]