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so before i used to use this build very good, anyways my question is what is so wrong with it now, maybe its just i havent used her in a while and got rusty or bad team, but i digress, this is my build which i used to be extremely proud of until last match where i just got stomped on. dagger-beserker greaves-phage-sunfire cape-frozen mallet-malady-wit's end-bloodthirster. i normally get top lane and off jungle every now in then
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Starting with a dagger is a nono. You have zero sustain.
Zerker greaves also seems a bit wierd to me on shyvana.

Always seemed better if you built the tankier side. Bit like, merc treads, wriggles lantern,
Heart of gold -> randuins. that jazz.

But that opener is horrible =/
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so madred-wriggles-heart of gold-merc-phage-wit's end-sheen-trinity force-atma/warmog-randuin's omen. something like that?
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Depends who you're laning against.
Shyvana top isn't really seen much, but i guess vs most tops you would do ok.
Im no top specialist I might add, but I know that your original build was begging to be stomped on D=


I.e, vs vlad/kennnen you would go boots x3HP pot, -> double null magic mantle -> merc treads + wits end.
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Are you jungling her? If you are, the best starts are Cloth Armor + 5 Health Potions or Boots of Speed + 3 Health Potions.

Shyvana is best built tankier, but you can go one of several ways. A final build should look something like this:

Mercury's Treads
Wriggle's Lantern
Wit's End
Frozen Mallet
Atma's Impaler
Randuin's Omen

Build order something like this:

Boots of Speed + 3 Health Potions
Vampiric Scepter
Madred's Razors
Wriggle's Lantern
Phage
Mercury's Treads
Wit's End
Frozen Mallet
Atma's Impaler or Randuin's Omen
Atma's Impaler or Randuin's Omen

Alternative Purchase Order:

Boots of Speed + 3 Health Potions
Vampiric Scepter
Wriggle's Lantern
Heart of Gold
Mercury's Treads
Phage
Wit's End
Frozen Mallet
Randuin's Omen
Atma's Impaler

Obviously you can build situationally with Force of Nature, Warmog's Armor, and Guardian Angel. If you get enough gold you can replace Wriggle's Lantern with The Bloodthirster.

Generally, Frozen Mallet is better than Warmog's Armor for Shyvana, as she has no innate CC, and pretty much relies on that slow for better ganks/chases. Trinity Force gives too many wasted stats to be useful on Shyvana, and is pretty expensive for a jungle build. It also gives a slow, which is wasted if you buy Frozen Mallet.

If you are going top lane, your final build should look slightly different:

Mercury's Treads
Wit's End
Frozen Mallet
Warmog's Armor
Atma's Impaler
The Bloodthirster

You can use the same sort of build for jungle in top lane, but you aren't going to be ganking much as top lane and you get more gold from it.

Top Purchase Order:

Boots of Speed + 3 or 4 Health Potions
2 Doran's Blades
Phage
Wit's End
Vampiric Scepter
Mercury's Treads
Frozen Mallet
Atma's Impaler
The Bloodthirster
Warmog's Armor

I'm not an extensive Shyvana player, but I hoped I helped you.

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it did help so thanks all who commented
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Malady is awful garbage noob ****. :) That's the weakest link in your build.

Also I think ninja Tabi and or Merc are probly better than berz.
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^^ You're very comforting Duff

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Are you in jungle or in lane?

Jungle:
Start Boots of Speed + 3 Health Potions or Cloth Armor + 5 Health Potions.

Go into Wriggle's Lantern, boots if you haven't already, then two Doran's Blades if you want.

Heart of Gold for gold income.

Tier 2 boots here, ONLY between Mercury's Treads or Ninja Tabi, everything else is pretty bad IMHO.

Phage here for ganking power. By now your slots are all full up if you had 2 dblades.

Buy Wit's End next, then Frozen Mallet, Randuin's Omen, and situational last item. Usually you're tanky enough by now to get damage, but survivability is good too.

In short: / then situational.

Laning:

Kind of similar, except Doran's Blade stacking are better than Wriggle's Lantern, you don't need the early Phage, and you might want to go Trinity Force Warmog's Armor Atma's Impaler instead of Randuin's Omen Frozen Mallet situational item.

Btw, The Black Cleaver, The Bloodthirster, or any high AD item is STRONK on her, those two in specific. :3
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Generally, Frozen Mallet is better than Warmog's Armor for Shyvana, as she has no innate CC, and pretty much relies on that slow for better ganks/chases. Trinity Force gives too many wasted stats to be useful on Shyvana, and is pretty expensive for a jungle build. It also gives a slow, which is wasted if you buy Frozen Mallet.



Sorry, just read this and wanted to comment :P

Wat. Trinity Force is one of THE best items for Shyvana, PERIOD. Don't give me that wasted stats ****, you only waste the mana. The proc completely synergizes well with her Q, she has extremely high base stats which are boosted by Trinity Force, it has a slow that you *WILL* proc because of AA + Twin Bite, and move speed which is difficult to find from items that actually benefit Shyvana.

The AP helps your E, which in turn give you MORE on-hit damage, and it all goes back to synergy with the stats.

Also, if the mana is wasted, then why do people buy Lich Bane on Akali, or Trinity Force on Lee Sin?

Because the item is too damn good for them.
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