Genocide, USA, etc.

[quote=Anastasios]No, YOU'RE a bigger poopyhead.[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites][quote=Toshabi] And no Canoas, I didn't take a day off work for 9/11. I spent the time from 8:45-9:00 at my job [/quote] Canoas probably doesn't even know what a job is considering how bad Portugal's economy is right now. It's probably also why he has time to post this senseless crap on these forums all day.[/quote]

[quote=Canoas][quote=Mooninites]Canoas probably doesn't even know what a job is considering how bad Portugal's economy is right now. It's probably also why he has time to post this senseless crap on these forums all day. [/quote] It's still better than the US's. Our debt will be paid in the next few years, we're making huge progress. What about you guys? How exactly is your debt decreasing? All I see is the numbers go up. Also, unlike you I'm actually on my master's right now. You know, getting some education? Some of us don't really fancy working in mcdonalds.[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites][quote=Canoas] [quote=Mooninites]Canoas probably doesn't even know what a job is considering how bad Portugal's economy is right now. It's probably also why he has time to post this senseless crap on these forums all day. [/quote] It's still better than the US's. Our debt will be paid in the next few years, we're making huge progress. What about you guys? How exactly is your debt decreasing? All I see is the numbers go up. Also, unlike you I'm actually on my master's right now. You know, getting some education? Some of us don't really fancy working in mcdonalds. [/quote] The markets would disagree. Our bond yields sit a 1.75%, Portugals sit at a staggering 8.5%. I'm curious as to how purchasing your own debt with EU money is going to work. Debt to pay off debt, you explain that one to me What exactly are you getting your masters on. For all i know it could be pottery[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS][quote=Canoas] [quote=Mooninites]Canoas probably doesn't even know what a job is considering how bad Portugal's economy is right now. It's probably also why he has time to post this senseless crap on these forums all day. [/quote] It's still better than the US's. Our debt will be paid in the next few years, we're making huge progress. What about you guys? How exactly is your debt decreasing? All I see is the numbers go up. Also, unlike you I'm actually on my master's right now. You know, getting some education? Some of us don't really fancy working in mcdonalds. [/quote] A job is a job. Whether it be working at McDonald's or working on Wall-Street. At least I'd have the dignity to appreciate the money I made. (I'm currently unemployed and up to my eyeballs in debt as I go for my Graphic Design degree). I recommend you get off your high horse. If you had no money or times got tough I bet working at McDonalds would look just as good to you as working in some swank office pushing papers. Or doing who knows what with your Masters in Potting. I honestly feel you simply started this thread so you could stand on a soap box and try to continue telling people you're smarter than they are whilst simultaneously trying to make the US out to be some evil entity. What's funny is that as far as I know most countries have a past that isn't squeaky clean so you might as well ridicule the Germans for having had Hitler as a leader, or the Italians for Mussolini or the Russians for Stalin, French for Napoleon etc. The things that happened under their leadership is just as bad as what happens today. If all you're going to do is bitch and moan like some ignorant half-wit, at least make sure you cover your bases. Don't pretend the the US is the only country to have its hands dirty, everyone does it's how they became countries. It's also why they're considered world powers capable of performing such atrocities.[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites]it's okay guys, he's getting his masters in cultural studies, so he's going to be working at mcdonalds once he finishes that up anyway[/quote]

[quote=Canoas]@Mooninites The markets don't matter for shit. The whole world wants to see the Euro fall, that's why there's so many external pressures on having Portugal, Ireland or Greece on a crisis. If one of us falls then a domino effect would ensue and each country of the European union would fall one by one. Portugal is the country that's paying the debt the quickest, there's absolutely no risk at all. Ireland did a pretty good job as well. Greece didn't, it seems they're not even trying even with all the help, so they are now being pressured into leaving the EU. The debt isn't being paid off with EU money, the debt was bought and now we're paying it by sacrificing a little more. It sucks, but it has to be done. Electronic Engineering. So far it has a 100% employment rate from my university, whether we decide to work in Portugal or overseas. How's that mcdonalds job working out for you? Having fun flipping burgers? @Jeffy A job is a job, but some are betters than others. I don't think working at mcdonalds would be enjoyable at all, so I'm getting a masters in order to do what I want. How the hell is that not reasonable? Why are you getting your degree then? Just to frame it and then go back to mcdonalds? I very much doubt that. Over here college doesn't force us to get huge loans and have to work for 30 years to pay off that debt. It's about 1000€ per year, so if you do everything the first time you can pretty much pay it off in your first year of work with no stress whatsoever. But hey, socialism doesn't work, right? No, I started this thread because the other one was closed since the discussion was off-topic. I wanted to reply to Fox Rage's comment, which was based on false statements. It's not the past that matters. What's done is done, you can't change that. However, as I said several times so far, I find it very ironic that people take some time off to mourn their casualties like it's a big deal but don't even care about the tens of thousands their country killed. I'm not bitching and moaning, but it seems to me that's exactly what you are doing.[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]personally id rather mourn for people i know than people i dont know...i have no connections at all with the people in other countries dying so why would i mourn for people i dont know? thats like telling someone to be sad because someone elses aunt died AFTER your aunt died, youre still sad about your aunt and you didnt even know the other persons aunt so why mourn? people are just more likely to mourn for their own losses than for others losses its just human nature. now why are you trying to start a "debate" over human nature? im sure if someone in my family was murdered there is no way i could make you mourn because its in human nature to not mourn for losses that arnt yours[/quote]

[quote=Fox Rage][quote=Canoas] This is basically a continuation of the 9/11 thread. [quote=Fox Rage]Ever heard of colonial wars? Seems like you didn't. Or even Angola? If you even know what Angola is. Or the intense slavery Protugal did in Africa? I guess you don't either. And for your information, yes, turning a whole continent into slaves count as a genocide. Of course, portugal wasn't the only one out there. Every single major country in Europe was with them. Every single major country out there made genocides, but guess what? NO ONE have a day to remember them. God damn, even my country, Canada, made genocides back when they first came to North America. Both the frenchs and the englishs butchered thousands of indians, anihilating whole populations. This also count as a genocide. Tell you what, find me a single major country who didn't do any genocides. I dare you. P.S. I had to edit since I pressed reply too soon and didn't want to double post. That's why theres an edit button.[/quote] @Fox Rage Haha. No. The colonial wars did not count as a genocide. There weren't that many civilian causalities. But hey, I'm glad you brought that up. In that war the USA chose to support the Angola People Union (direct translation) which WAS killing innocent civilians. They were butchering and beheading the men who worked at farms along with their wives and children. This had to be brought to the UN by Portugal or it would have continued. Maybe next time you should pick a war were the US weren't backing up the side that was butchering the innocent. That would certainly help your point. Also, the colonial war was done under a dictatorship. Portugal itself was in deep shit as well. There were failed rebellions one after another and we weren't able to overthrow the dictatorship for quite some time. Luckily one of those rebellions worked, and the dictatorship as well as the colonial war ended that day. Another funny thing, there was a US battleship in Lisbon that was supporting the dictatorship and was going to stop the rebellion. Lucky thing the US was slow this time, right? I think you owe me those 25$. Steam wallet or Pay pal would be preferred. [/quote] I'm actually pretty glad you created this thread, otherwise I would've done it, but sadly I've been working all day, so couln't create it earlier. Let's hope this one does not get locked right when it's starting to be fun. Back to the topic now shall we? Do you even know what a genocide is? You obviously don't otherwise you'd know that the colonial wars are genocides. Let me guess, you probably thinkg genocides means slaughtering civilians. It is not the case. A genocide is a full scale extermination of a whole population. Definition taken from Dictionnary.com to back my own definiton: [quote]the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.[/quote] What do you think were the colonial wars? The extermination, or assimilation depending on the situation, of a indigenous population on a certain territory in order to create a colony. Wich makes the colonial wars a genocide. Angola People Union never existed. There was 3 parties during that genocide. The Popular Movement for the Liberation of Angola (MPLA), The National Front for the Liberation of Angola (FNLA) and the ational Union for Total Independence of Angola (UNITA). The MPLA was a communism party, being helped by the USSR, who were providing weapons and emrcenaries to help them in the war agains't. Cuba became the MPLA's strongest ally once the USSR dissolved. The FNLA was a nationalist party who was helped by China at first, until the UNITA was created. China became an ally of the UNITA. USA refused to help the FNLA when it was fighting the portugal autority, since portugal was part of the NATO. USA did help during the decolonization and much later in the civil war. The UNITA was another nationalist party, who was much more violent than the FNLA. Much more aggressive. China was the UNITA's main ally for a long time. The USA only got involved with the UNITA for the decolonization process too, refusing to declare war to Portugal, who was in the NATO. The strongest ally of UNITA was South Africa, who were providing them with weapons, diamonds and mercenaries. The UNITA leader was a crazy man named Savimbi. Savimbi did all the shit you talked about, with the UNITA. China and South Africa was helping them. USA couln't because of the NATO. Helping the UNITA, for USA, meant declaring war to pretty much all of Europe. Portugal's income in Angola was mainly from slave trading. Angola, being one of the African country that had the most slaves. As I said in the other thread that was sadly locked, mass slavery is a war of exterminating a population, therefore, the massive slave trading in Angola count as a genocide. Colonial wars were mostly between 1500 and in the late 1800, early 1900. I'm pretty sure Portugal's dictatorship didn't last almost 400 years. And even if it did, it doesn't excuse the country for what it did. It's kind of funny to read your posts, because you really seem to believe firmly that europeens are saints. That they never did anything. I also find interesting that a europeen trash talk USA about genocides. Europe, the KINGS of genocides. I have nothing agains't Europe, don,t get me wrong. But seriously, you guys are the last person on this planet who should trash talk a country about genocides. P.S. You should've just PMed me. It just seems so unfair at the moment. So many people arguing with you at the same time. And I'm fairplay. I hate this kind of stuff. And guys, don't just say '' Canoas you're this and that for thinking that way''. No need for insults. State your point of view and develop it. Let him have the opportunity of explaining his own point of view and defending himself.[/quote]

[quote=Toshabi][quote=Canoas] Over here college doesn't force us to get huge loans and have to work for 30 years to pay off that debt. It's about 1000€ per year, so if you do everything the first time you can pretty much pay it off in your first year of work with no stress whatsoever. But hey, socialism doesn't work, right? [/quote] Which is exactly why your country is in a budget crisis, had to get bailed out and is still on the verge of bankruptcy. Yup! Socialism totally is the way to go. Lets not forget that 15% unemployment rate. I'd kill to be able to live in the delusion you do Canoas. Please teach me your ways. And the best part about the guy with the McDonalds job? He's still working harder/earning more money then your unemployed butt is. Least he's a functioning part of society unlike some people who stay home and play video games all day like a 9 year old kid on summer vacation. :<[/quote]