My Ideas for small buffs I think champs need.

[quote=RaNuD][quote=throatslasher] [Lots of true, yet INCREDIBLY annoying, unpleasant whathever stuff to read, insulting a member] [/quote] Wow Jet, is that you?[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS][quote=Mastarwe] [quote=throatslasher] [quote=Lugignaf] [quote=throatslasher] Nautilus: Return 50% of the stats you took away when you nerfed his tankiness [/quote] I'm sorry, what? They have never nerfed his tankiness. All of the nerfs were damage or cooldown based. 0 base stat touches. [quote=throatslasher] Swain: (...)tone down the sustain on his ult. Kinda silly you can get a RoA and be unkillable when 5 people are focusing you. [/quote] Again, what? RoA does not make him unkillable at all. Sure it works amazingly with him but it doesn't turn you into a 5man tank force unless they're staggering out blows or a severely underfarmed team by the time you get it. Lastly, [quote=throatslasher] Tristana: Make explosive shot toggle-able, like vorpal spikes. Make her rocket jump less buggy when trying to jump over terrain, I often just jump up and land in the same spot when making a jump I feel I should have made. (tristana's only drawback, and it's a huge one, is that she has no choice but to push the lane, which is why she sucks right now.) [/quote] Rocket [i]jump[/i] is labeled as a dash, looks like a jump and says it is in the tooltip. RIOT either needs to change the wording or the animation/name to reflect what it really is. Now, why is pushing lane a bad thing? In this age of every ADC having an escape, you'd think that putting pressure on your bot lane to either, A:Pull pressure from the enemy jungler to bot instead of top/mid(easier time farming now) or B: Force them back so you can dragon easily. I have never seen anyone say Trist is bad ,other than her midgame, so why should I believe [i]you[/i] now? [/quote] I'm at work, I can't look up patches. But what I CAN look up is the following: http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/21366590#ranked-stats I was being sarcastic about swain, but as an avid swain player, I have tanked 5 people as swain with RoA and WotA and most of my team around me. You are an unranked moron. 17 years old and talkin' like a big shot. I would care if you had 500 RANKED games played and something constructive to add. However, you have no ranked experience and everything you say is wrong. "Now, why is pushing lane a bad thing?" Sometimes it's good, but most of the time it's terrible. Pushing all the time makes you more apt to being ganked, and it makes it impossible for tristana to freeze then lane. Pushing will make it easier for you to get ganked. which is a bad thing, if you were not aware Why the fuck should tristana's jump be classified as a dash? she clears 3 times the distance of graves' dash. You know what riot needs to do? they need to make it have the properties of a blink. But since you don't play adcarry, this is all wasted breath. You're a noob, please stop speaking with authority. You can ask questions and make suggestions, but to assert that you know anything at all when you clearly? that's just silly [/quote] and... all the respect that I may have had for you is now gone. Not only do you start raging just because someone tells you his opinion (you even ask for it in the OP), you also assume that you have to play ranked to be any good at the game. Most persons on the forums have played for quite some time and thus have quite a lot of knowledge on what changes have been made to the game. This especially applies to vets, since they've been around for a long time on this site alone (nobody would go to these forums unless they play/have played lol). If you can't tolerate criticism then please just leave the forums right now. We don't want people like that around here. OT: Syndra is still new, give people some time to figure her out. Lux is already extremely good (that is, if you know how to play her). Most people don't though and are content on spamming moves every time they are off cd (same reasoning goes for ziggs). When it comes to tristana her pushing power is generally considered a bad thing. However considering teams in tournaments are more often going for a laneswitch this may be a good thing. Giving her freefarm in a 2v1 lane while pushing the tower down asap is something she's quite good at as long as she gets protection. Protection is also what she needs in a normal lane, which means she needs to have some way of staying secure while farming. [/quote] I don't agree with how Slasher presented his argument, or necessarily the validity of it's content BUT, the idea that ELO SHOULD be taken into consideration is something I agree with. I'm not a platinum player, I'm not even gold (anymore), so take this with a grain of salt. Having actual ranked experience is something that needs to be considered, not necessarily on making statements or sharing opinions, (I frequently tell people to fuck off if I think their idea is bad), but more so with providing some sort of evidence as to why you think x,y,z. (Hope that made sense). So Slasher was out of line, Lugi made a valid observation, Slasher "exploded". That wasn't what I was commenting on, truly it was a side bar of sorts more or less commenting on the way some people think around here on mobafire. IMO: Lane swapping is just a gimmick right now, it is a HUGE gambit that (if it backfires) completely cripples any chance of winning the game, what I mean is if your 1v2 lane gets dominated then you have a fed enemy ADC and an underfed/under farmed top laner who is SUPPOSED to actually do something mid/late game.. It (lane swapping) won't last much longer, additionally if for some freak of nature reason it becomes "the new thing" it's a strategy solely employed in arranged 5s. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't see people doing it in solo queue, streamed or otherwise. Which means, unless everyone and their mother starts hosting vent rooms for people to join when they solo queue it's something that would be incredibly challenging to play properly even at higher levels of the game.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]This guy, OP, is so mad at my [b]opinion[/b]. Secondly, does it matter that I'm 17? It shouldn't. I have valid [b]opinions[/b] too ya know. Does it matter that I don't do ranked? Sure I may not be professional 2200 ELO like you over there Mr. Bigshot but what I know is still relevant to my ELO. You know, where the majority of people are? Ganked implies no escape spells. Last I checked, Tristana has one of the better escape spells at her disposal. 2 past 6, and 3 with flash. Still on the topic of ganking, what about counter-ganks? What about if the enemy jungler is to low to attempt anything? What about if they're somewhere else? You can't just say "pushing is bad because you get ganked," and call it there. You have to take any and all possible factors into account. "Why should Tristana's W be classified as a dash when it's triple the range of Graves' dash?" I don't know. Ask LeBlanc what she thinks of [[distort]] being a dash and not a blink. It's painful not being to go over that wall because it was simply 5-10 units too thick. Same with Corki. Should that be a blink too? You're clearly flying and not dashing. Ask Riven who's "dashes" can't even go over small cliffs because they're classified as "basic movement" but with an added effect on top. Also, excuse me if I don't play ADC. I have other people to do that for me while I play my better roles of top, mid and jungle. Or even, *gasp* support![/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod][quote]Swain: Increase the range on e and q for stronger laning phase, but tone down the sustain on his ult. Kinda silly you can get a RoA and be unkillable when 5 people are focusing you.[/quote] Honestly, I think he's fine as he is right now. Longer range on Q means easier W's which means easier kills. More range on E is nice, makes him trade a lot easier or even just harass without taking damage back, which sounds kinda messy. As for tanking, eh. Happened, but I was overfed those times and people don't know what exhaust or ignite do. I don't think he needs to have that sustain toned down (nor does he need WOtA unless you really wanna give spellvamp to another mage on your team) [quote]Syndra: Delete this champion. Nobody likes her.[/quote She's fun to play. Kit fights itself, she needs a more responsive W, an E that shows both cone and ball trajectory (seriously, call it high skill cap but that move can be retardedly unreliable at times) and slightly increased range on ulti.. About Tristana, what I hate is that her W's trajectory always counts as a "land" trajectory instead of being a blink; I've been grabbed by Volibear, Singed, stunned and snared by a gazilion of champs, knocked back by Lee's ulti, etc. It's too fucking unreliable at times.[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]OMG NOT SUPPORT HOW DARE YOU...That's usually the job I get forced to play.[/quote]

[quote=wRAthoFVuLK]"Syndra: Delete this champion. Nobody likes her." lol so agree[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]Man I wish there was a way for Riot to like, fix champs that need a buff or a nerf. Sadly that kind of thing doesn't exist here, on planet Earth..../sarcasm[/quote]

[quote=Mastarwe][quote=JEFFY40HANDS] [quote=Mastarwe] [quote=throatslasher] [quote=Lugignaf] [quote=throatslasher] Nautilus: Return 50% of the stats you took away when you nerfed his tankiness [/quote] I'm sorry, what? They have never nerfed his tankiness. All of the nerfs were damage or cooldown based. 0 base stat touches. [quote=throatslasher] Swain: (...)tone down the sustain on his ult. Kinda silly you can get a RoA and be unkillable when 5 people are focusing you. [/quote] Again, what? RoA does not make him unkillable at all. Sure it works amazingly with him but it doesn't turn you into a 5man tank force unless they're staggering out blows or a severely underfarmed team by the time you get it. Lastly, [quote=throatslasher] Tristana: Make explosive shot toggle-able, like vorpal spikes. Make her rocket jump less buggy when trying to jump over terrain, I often just jump up and land in the same spot when making a jump I feel I should have made. (tristana's only drawback, and it's a huge one, is that she has no choice but to push the lane, which is why she sucks right now.) [/quote] Rocket [i]jump[/i] is labeled as a dash, looks like a jump and says it is in the tooltip. RIOT either needs to change the wording or the animation/name to reflect what it really is. Now, why is pushing lane a bad thing? In this age of every ADC having an escape, you'd think that putting pressure on your bot lane to either, A:Pull pressure from the enemy jungler to bot instead of top/mid(easier time farming now) or B: Force them back so you can dragon easily. I have never seen anyone say Trist is bad ,other than her midgame, so why should I believe [i]you[/i] now? [/quote] I'm at work, I can't look up patches. But what I CAN look up is the following: http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/21366590#ranked-stats I was being sarcastic about swain, but as an avid swain player, I have tanked 5 people as swain with RoA and WotA and most of my team around me. You are an unranked moron. 17 years old and talkin' like a big shot. I would care if you had 500 RANKED games played and something constructive to add. However, you have no ranked experience and everything you say is wrong. "Now, why is pushing lane a bad thing?" Sometimes it's good, but most of the time it's terrible. Pushing all the time makes you more apt to being ganked, and it makes it impossible for tristana to freeze then lane. Pushing will make it easier for you to get ganked. which is a bad thing, if you were not aware Why the fuck should tristana's jump be classified as a dash? she clears 3 times the distance of graves' dash. You know what riot needs to do? they need to make it have the properties of a blink. But since you don't play adcarry, this is all wasted breath. You're a noob, please stop speaking with authority. You can ask questions and make suggestions, but to assert that you know anything at all when you clearly? that's just silly [/quote] and... all the respect that I may have had for you is now gone. Not only do you start raging just because someone tells you his opinion (you even ask for it in the OP), you also assume that you have to play ranked to be any good at the game. Most persons on the forums have played for quite some time and thus have quite a lot of knowledge on what changes have been made to the game. This especially applies to vets, since they've been around for a long time on this site alone (nobody would go to these forums unless they play/have played lol). If you can't tolerate criticism then please just leave the forums right now. We don't want people like that around here. OT: Syndra is still new, give people some time to figure her out. Lux is already extremely good (that is, if you know how to play her). Most people don't though and are content on spamming moves every time they are off cd (same reasoning goes for ziggs). When it comes to tristana her pushing power is generally considered a bad thing. However considering teams in tournaments are more often going for a laneswitch this may be a good thing. Giving her freefarm in a 2v1 lane while pushing the tower down asap is something she's quite good at as long as she gets protection. Protection is also what she needs in a normal lane, which means she needs to have some way of staying secure while farming. [/quote] I don't agree with how Slasher presented his argument, or necessarily the validity of it's content BUT, the idea that ELO SHOULD be taken into consideration is something I agree with. I'm not a platinum player, I'm not even gold (anymore), so take this with a grain of salt. Having actual ranked experience is something that needs to be considered, not necessarily on making statements or sharing opinions, (I frequently tell people to fuck off if I think their idea is bad), but more so with providing some sort of evidence as to why you think x,y,z. (Hope that made sense). So Slasher was out of line, Lugi made a valid observation, Slasher "exploded". That wasn't what I was commenting on, truly it was a side bar of sorts more or less commenting on the way some people think around here on mobafire. IMO: Lane swapping is just a gimmick right now, it is a HUGE gambit that (if it backfires) completely cripples any chance of winning the game, what I mean is if your 1v2 lane gets dominated then you have a fed enemy ADC and an underfed/under farmed top laner who is SUPPOSED to actually do something mid/late game.. It (lane swapping) won't last much longer, additionally if for some freak of nature reason it becomes "the new thing" it's a strategy solely employed in arranged 5s. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't see people doing it in solo queue, streamed or otherwise. Which means, unless everyone and their mother starts hosting vent rooms for people to join when they solo queue it's something that would be incredibly challenging to play properly even at higher levels of the game. [/quote] Laneswapping is indeed a risk, but I guess it mostly depends on how much you trust your solo(top)laner. I do indeed think about arranged 5's here, since the trust will be severely lacking in soloqueue. Still think though that if this is something that gets more useful trist might actually see more play, considering that her mainproblem would be less of a disaster. I'm not saying that experience isn't something one should look at. However I would love it if people actually think about the fact that not everybody likes ranked. There is also a rating for normals (even though it's hidden), so saying that "I've got plat, so I'm automatically better then you" is something that is actually quite stupid. For example: I've played this game since march 2010. Do you really think that my knowledge of the game is worse then a gold ranked player that started playing 5 months ago. I don't have any rating that can be seen, but does it really matter? When talking about rating one should at the same time take a look at the arranged 5's vs soloqueue. How much value should one put in a rank in soloqueue? Even though they might now how to play with people (on a level where communication is often lacking), there's nothing that says they have a lot of knowledge about most of the differences between an actual team (going up against another real team) and just some randoms matched together.[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]Do I think your knowledge is worse? That's a bit of a loaded question. I'll refrain from answering it directly. I've been playing this game for a long time too, so I do believe that my experience is more robust. HOWEVER I do believe that players capable of reaching gold/plat/diamond do deserve a bit more weight with their arguments when it comes to technical aspects "He/she needed to do x so y would happen" as an example. That doesn't mean I can't conflict with them, it simply means that my credibility falls to whatever evidence I can provide. ELO is most likely the easiest way to accomplish that. IF there was a way to stabilize the "Lane Swap" Gambit then I would agree. But the nature of gambits being so...Well rsiky, means that you have a higher chance of success by maintaining the current duo bot lane ADC/Support meta. IMO.[/quote]

[quote=SirAeros][quote=throatslasher] [quote=SirAeros] Actually [[Master Yi]] has a "Solution" make him an AP Champ de facto as its only decent role overall(still not great just Annoying as F****) And don't ruin [[Talon]] playstyle just put him back at his realease state(or at least his Mana Costs) and he'll be fine at least on Solo Que [/quote] I don't know what you mean about yi, but I agree with you about talon. I'm not sure what he needs, but I don't think his kit is overwhelming ATM. He's definitely not a viable top, and his rake doesn't outrange OR outtrade a lot of common mage picks for mid. If i'm against talon, I'll pick up my armor mage page, or I'll just get a fast cloth armor and leave it there (boots 3, into cloth armor and 2x dorans rings) I feel that katarain is just the better version of talon ATM. His rake harass is extremely good, but kat has better all-in potential with a much better passive. (blink in and kill, blink out or continue slaying) I'm not sure if I said it, I just hate the fact that talon is a win or lose champion. Once you start getting abused in lane, there is no coming back. [/quote] Never Faced an AP Yi on Lane? you know the kind that always hit you by luck regen his health to full every minute and makes you want to commit suicide for not picking a champ without CC... make that better and we will have an viable Yi or at least make the whinig part quit the game which would be nice and second about [[Talon]] Im not gonna lie he is a win or lose champ by design him if I remenber well riot said that on his Sneak Preview or W/e is called and if you think well [[Akali]],[[Diana]](whithout a team that can make use of her E well of course) and even Ad Carries on general(think well why do AD Carries started having a support?) are all win or lose champs and they are not on the list or maybe they are I don't know I tend to be blind sometimes but still hes one of the best damn carries of the Game IMO if he gets an advantage never saw a Talon Game where if he has a Bloodthirster or an IE(basicaly you say "AW my face" every Q crit) before 20 minutes the enemy hasn't Surrendered imeadeatly Ps:About you playing him are sure you weren't overtrading too much? [[Talon]] isn't a natural trader like [[Pantheon]]( who has his shield passive) he should only trade if the enemy misses or you dodge a spell so he can easily burst the enemy down at 6[/quote]