Statikk Shiv is it that good?

[quote=Foo18]He said on shaco mid, not shaco jungle.[/quote]

[quote=caucheka]if you were someone who used to get dual pds(dunno if anyone really did that much) then obv a shiv would be amazing instead of second bd. all in all, shiv is better. also, foo18, nice avatar.[/quote]

[quote=DarkPercy]Shiv is better for snowballing and mid game power while Phantom Dancer is better late game.[/quote]

[quote=A Chubby Baby]its pushing potential is extremely great.[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark][quote=Pølsemanden] [quote=Vapora Dark] Shaco ( mid ) [/quote] plzno. [/quote] >:][/quote]

[quote=Aincrad][quote=Vapora Dark] Shiv's passive procs on Shaco's clone too. [/quote] OMG, ima try that build then.[/quote]

[quote=wRAthoFVuLK]Yea, shiv isn't about the money. 2 gp 10 is nothing, especially when you are an AD carry. You get a zeal first anyway if you can. And Wriggle > Hydra > Shiv is really strong on Shaco.[/quote]

[quote=Datoxx]if u want ability to push/poke on champ who dont have such capabilities is ok but on carry is worse of pd[/quote]

[quote=Pheyniex]When S3 came out, i used to, if possible, buy [[Vampiric Scepter]] and [[Avarice Blade]] for [[Ashe]] on my first back, while maxing [[Hawkshot]]. Works if you farm really well. tried with [[Graves]] a couple of times and it's not the same. If i build [[Statikk Shiv]] i end up selling it for a [[Phantom Dancer]]. haven't played ADC for a while, though.[/quote]

[quote=wRAthoFVuLK]Why would you sell for PD... You get 10% AS and crit chance, which is almost nothing, and get 1% more MS, which is good, and the wave clear/extra damage passive. Plus it's 300 cheaper. They are both very similar and really based on preference...but one isn't worse than the other and there is no reason to sell one for the other. The only place you would really clearly get one over the other is with Draven, when the creep walking on PD is nice for catching axes. And maybe Vayne. But on most ADs I prefer getting Shiv (mostly coz the passive es so fun).[/quote]