AD Carry talk.

[quote=Joxuu]Since Season 3 quite a lot have changed in bottom lane. I want to talk about AD carries. If you had to place all AD carries in Tiers of 1-3, where would you place them, why ? Which champions have benefited the most ? Which champions were "nerfed" ? [b]Tier List;[/b] AD's: [[Ashe]] [[Caitlyn]] [[Corki]] [[Draven]] [[Ezreal]] [[Graves]] [[Kog'Maw]] [[Miss Fortune]] [[Quinn]] [[Sivir]] [[Tristana]] [[Twitch]] [[Varus]]. I don't have tier list of my own, will propably make it soon. I'd just like to see everyones opinion and sort of sum it up. [b]Champions who have benefited the most ?[/b] I think champions who benefit from attack speed in their kit along who can use [[Blade of the ruined king]] have started to shine. Such as [[Tristana]]. Also since dramatic difference of the effect who gets first item, I'd say early game champions like [[Draven]] have benefited much also. [b]Which champions were "nerfed" ?[/b] [[Corki]] - Poor guy for getting [[Trinity Force]] nerfed. [[Ezreal]] - Somewhat same story ? He benefits from [[Iceborn gauntlet]], but not as much I'd say. Also the itemization changes are not as good as for some others. Then basically early game champions can have really hard time. [b]I'm interested to know;[/b] [[Varus]] and [[Miss Fortune]]. I have never really got into them and I'd really like to start maining them. How are they doing in Season 3 compared to other carries ? Just off-topic, I'm also interested to know [[Thresh]] and [[Lulu]]'s position compared to others Season 3.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]I'll go over each carry from my observations: [[Caitlyn]]: Ridiculously safe and pushes so hard at almost no consequence. Needs nerfs, cause very few carries can deal with her in lane unless the Cait in question is terrible. [[Ashe]]: Pretty much the same. She's either amazing for her ultimate or risky. Moderately safer in lane now though because the lifesteal runes+Dblade start actually makes her slightly threatening at lvl 1. [[Corki]]: Sad faceeeee.. Needs buffs. [[Draven]]: Snowballing is pro, and no one does that better than [[Draven]]. [[Ezreal]]: He's still amazing, actually. He wasn't hit anywhere near as hard as [[Corki]] was with the TF nerfs. [[Graves]]: Range is currently kicking his ass. He does love BotRK though. [[Kog'Maw]]: need special team comp to be super effective. [[Miss Fortune]]: Super stupid because [[thresh]] and [[Leona]] exist with her ultimate. [[Quinn]]: See [[Graves]], but she's getting some nifty juking buffs soon. [[Sivir]]: See [[Graves]]. Also, Mana costs are insanity mode. [[Tristana]]: Stupid late game and early game, mid game is still meh. [[Twitch]]: Good players will stomp any lesser creatures with [[twitch]]. He's high skill cap, but pretty amazing in the right hands. [[Varus]]: Has gained major popularity in reponse to [[Draven]]'s rise to popularity, because he absolutely fucks [[Draven]]'s day up with his ult. I still think though, that AD carry has the least variation of actual good or bad champions. The binary nature of what an AD carry does makes every one of them work if the player does it right and has a support that benefits them.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]If I had to organize them into three tiers I'd say something like: Good - [[caitlyn]], [[miss fortune]], [[draven]], [[ezreal]], [[varus]], [[twitch]] Average - [[kog'maw]], [[graves]], [[ashe]], [[tristana]], [[vayne]] unless you're doublelift Bad - [[corki]], [[urgot]], [[sivir]], [[quinn]] I suck at making tier lists lol. [[miss fortune]] is really good right now particularly in AoE comps. [[varus]] is not quite on the same level imo but still strong. [[thresh]] is broken and [[lulu]] is pretty damn good.[/quote]

[quote=Satella]Are we going by viability in solo queue or in 5v5 teams? Some really good AD carries like [[Kog'Maw]] don't fare too well in solo queue (especially lower elo solo queue) due to dependency on teamwork, while some AD carries like [[Tristana]] can handle themselves quite well even without great team protection due to having a [icon=Buster shot size=16]self-peel and a [icon=Rocket jump size=16]good escape.[/quote]

[quote=Pheyniex]in their majority, they are all viable. [[Corki]] was seriously nerfd in S3, indirectly as everyone build primarily HP, Graves gets bulied inlane (wierd, i know). [[Sivir]] and [[Ashe]] are simply outclassed, imo. [[Kog'Maw]] always needed a comp made for him, so no news there. otg forgot [[Vayne]] but she still is the same faceroll-lategame hypercarry we're used to.[/quote]

[quote=jinlee]though corki is getting a buff to his ult in the next patch[/quote]

[quote=Pheyniex][quote=jinlee] though corki is getting a buff to his ult in the next patch [/quote] that actually yields nothing because that was not the reason he was consistently picked in S2 and now is not.[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites][quote=Pheyniex] [quote=jinlee] though corki is getting a buff to his ult in the next patch [/quote] that actually yields nothing because that was not the reason he was consistently picked in S2 and now is not. [/quote] flawless logic. In any regards [[Caitlyn]] is far and away the best ADC right now. She's a guarantee win in lane and there's no counter play to her. She also pushes extremely well which is crucial in this meta. She needs nerfs. [[Draven]] very strong, can win the game from lane, big lane bully and does aton of damage. I don't actually know much about him other than he has an insane skill cap [[Ashe]] decent. Pretty much zero lane presence which makes her hard to throw in this meta, add that with no escape and mediocre power throughout the entire game and she's going to be more of a niche pick for catching people out. [[Corki]] mana costs are an issue and his build path sucks. Extremely glad, because I hate [[corki]] [[Ezreal]] can snowball from early game, one of the strongest early games and mid games, extremely safe with [[Arcane Shift]], has one of the worst late games though [[Vayne]] terrible early laning phase, no pushing power, godlike late game. Her mid game isn't awful either, around level 7 or so, she's able to duel anyone and usually win. [[tristana]] strongest level 2 of all adc's, best 6 item carry , terrible mid game. She's viable and maybe even a top tier ADC [[Kog'maw]] no escape in an assassin heavy meta makes him pretty weak. Still an insanely strong late game which got an indirect buff from the warmog's meta. [[Sivir]] underrated but an extremely high skill cap. All around pretty weak especially considering her ultimate is team reliant and has a cast time for some reason [[Varus]] becoming more popular because he's a lane bully. Has pretty good early and the initiate. It makes him a replacement for [[ashe]] who is pretty much only an initiate [[graves]] he's not very good at killing tanks compared to other adc's. And to kill tanks you need [[Blade of the ruined king]] but he has extremely hard AD scalings on his Q and R which make [[The Bloodthirster]] better. He's a weird inbetweener [[twitch]] decent early game, subpar mid game, insane late game. he's one of the strongest ADC's when he blows his ult, but the problem is he needs his ult to fight well. plus if he gets caught he's dead [[miss fortune]] strong ultimate, lane bully, decent late game. [[quinn]] the problem is her kit. Any ultimate that requires an ADC to get in melee range to use is not a viable adc. She's a strong duelist 1v1, but thats not her role. All around just absolute garbage [[urgot]] no idea why people dont play this guy tierlist: not in any particular order godtier: [[caitlyn]] tier 1: [[miss fortune]], [[draven]], [[ezreal]], [[varus]] tier 2: [[tristana]], [[twitch]], [[kog'maw]], [[graves]] tier 3: [[urgot]], [[sivir]], [[ashe]], [[corki]] trash: [[quinn]][/quote]

[quote=IAmByakuya]Do Not Nerf Caitlyn FUCK[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]Please, nerf [[caitlyn]].[/quote]