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[quote=Napoleon D]This thread has turned into a [runaan's hurricane] debate with searz on one side and everyone on the other[/quote]

[quote=sirell][quote=Napoleon D] This thread has turned into a runaan's hurricane debate with searz on one side and everyone on the other [/quote] Well, Searz is trying to advocate a 'new' idea that's been nearly a year old and been debunked for the whole time since.[/quote]

[quote=Thalia Kael]Also not sure if someone mentioned this but it can make freezing/notwantingtopush harder[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm][quote=Thalia Kael] Also not sure if someone mentioned this but it can make freezing/notwantingtopush harder [/quote] As mentioned above one of the only good reasons to build it IS to push... with [[teemo]].[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian][quote=Searz] Now you kind of seem to get it. I know that's what you're trying to do, but that's exactly what I'm saying is a bad way of comparing things. I'm saying we should compare entire builds, tailored around specific items (in this case IE and RH), not specific items in a build clearly tailored around one of the two items. To further clarify and avoid confusion: We should compare an AD build with Hurricane with a crit build with IE. [/quote] Alright, now that we're (somewhat) on the same page, people actually HAVE tried Runaans-centric, non-crit builds, myself included. Some have theorycrafted: "tank killing" build BoRK + Runaans + LW The problem with that was that it had very very little sustained damage, even against high HP targets, and ESPECIALLY against high hp targets with high armor. "life steal" build BT + BoRK + Runaans + LW The idea was you use the on-hit effect of Runaans to stay alive incredibly long in fights. The problem here, though, was that like any carry you'd be obliterated if you were even tapped with CC. "On-hit" build This isn't even an ADC build anymore o_o In all 3 situations the standard ADC build was proven to be superior because the crit scaling + attack speed + flat AD had more synergy with each other than Runaans will have with any other combination of items.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][[Runaan's Hurricane]] is a decent item but all alternatives give you more damage. The alternatives being: [[Phantom Dancer]], [[Statikk Shiv]], [[Blade of the Ruined King]], [[Trinity Force]]. Yes I know hurricane is cheaper than all of them, however an AD carry wants to itemize for late-game and therefore you buy the items which scale best. Second, an AD carry is about high sustained single-target dps and not about hitting as many targets as possible. On top of all this, Runaan's doesn't provide any movement speed which is also a huge drawback.[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=sirell] We already told you the answer. It has no potential. Been tried and tested and failed.[/quote] No, you have not. The only one that has come close so far is tehAsian with his latest comment. [quote]I don't think it was an unfair assumption, given that you built exactly 0 crit items and went with the most questionable build in existence. Who knows what other silly things you might be thinking?[/quote] It was an unfair assumption, given that I was half asleep during that match --.-- I mean, I ran straight into 5 enemies (clearly visible on the map) at one point because I had no idea that they were there. Not exactly a stellar performance on my part... [quote=OTGBionicArm] Hurricane is unreliable[/quote] Kind of true, I get your point, but unreliable is the wrong word for it. It's situational. [quote]Hurricane is only [s]decent[/s] good when people bunch up[/quote] Fixed. Please stop the obvious bias.. [quote]Hurricane is good at dealing damage when multiple melees crowd you, but you're dead at that point anyway[/quote] True but ultimately irrelevant, that is not why it would be used. 375 is not as short as most people seem to believe. It's ~70% of the range of a normal ranged carry. It is very common for people to stand at such a distance from each other in teamfights.[/quote]

[quote=drakon136][quote=Searz] Please stop the obvious bias.. [/quote]Oh the irony.[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje]I feel like we're just being trolled here...[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=drakon136] [quote=Searz] Please stop the obvious bias..[/quote]Oh the irony.[/quote] Please add something of substance next time. We already have plenty of shit posts like this in the thread, we don't need more. [quote=Pheyniex] [quote=Searz] You're taking one specific part of an item that does not directly correlate to damage and compare it with a part of another item that directly correlates to damage.[/quote] it does, but your unnaproval of a random-oriented stat is shadowing your judgement.[/quote] Ah fuck it. I had a serious repose typed up and ready, but then I realized: you're not even worth my attention.[/quote]