Season 4 Support Discussion

[quote=lifebaka][quote=DillButt64] and phey zilean still has a 55% slow/haste which isnt small, specially if the duration can go up to 2.5 i believe which is good enough to get someone caught out since its point and click (other point and click cc is probably better but 55% is still big) [/quote] [[Time Warp]]'s duration is actually a hell of a lot longer than that. It's 2.5 seconds [i]at rank 1[/i].[/quote]

[quote=luizdeh]Since I do best with [[fiddlesticks]], I'm curious to see if I can carry even more with him. Also, [[taric]]. Because gems, stun and unkillableness. I enjoy playing with [[janna]] as well, but her AP ratios are being gutted to oblivion.[/quote]

[quote=Pheyniex][[Zilean]] will suffer of the same problems he suffers now. He will only be effective as long as the enemy team just blindly chases and kills whoever is under [[Chrono shift]] (<---Main reason why he works in ARAM) I really don't see much more he can do. His work is "hit and run" mostly, and either there is someone that can do that better, maybe endidng up sustaining it, or engage on him. Endgame, he'll be making ammends, not providing strategic options. [[Janna]] has insane ratios, compared to the fuckload of CC and mobility she has. that was, imo, the big edge she always had over [[Leona]]. I still dread those shields for half her HP.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm][spoiler=Truly Outrageous] [img=http://i.imgur.com/DH8NLXS.png] [/spoiler] There you go guys, an example of an S4 outcome provided you did well. :D Face of the mountain is the blanked out slot. That item is clutch as fuck, I swear. Note how me and [[thresh]] actually like... have CS.[/quote]

[quote=Khazem]I like how Thresh has as much gold as his ad carry also wtf that smite icon ._.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]Yea, I'm not a fan of it either. Also, Thresh was actually pretty good, that ez dropped the ball so hard in lane that Thresh gave up and started splitpushing.[/quote]

[quote=Pheyniex]S4 motto: blame the ADC.[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64][quote=Pheyniex] [[Zilean]] will suffer of the same problems he suffers now. He will only be effective as long as the enemy team just blindly chases and kills whoever is under [[Chrono shift]] (<---Main reason why he works in ARAM) I really don't see much more he can do. His work is "hit and run" mostly, and either there is someone that can do that better, maybe endidng up sustaining it, or engage on him. Endgame, he'll be making ammends, not providing strategic options. [[Janna]] has insane ratios, compared to the fuckload of CC and mobility she has. that was, imo, the big edge she always had over [[Leona]]. I still dread those shields for half her HP. [/quote] which is why you use zileans ult right before the person dies lol, and of course you would want to pick zilean if your team has like a control mage or something that can cc other champions for your adc since you have only your slow (which as lifebaka said has a 2.5 duration at rank 1 so its still really good) i mean if you use your ult on a full hp adc thats safe of course theyre going to find a different target, you should use it as a clutch thing so that assassin or bruiser diving past your frontline doesnt get the kill because your adc is revived with full hp[/quote]

[quote=Pheyniex][quote=DillButt64] [quote=Pheyniex] [[Zilean]] will suffer of the same problems he suffers now. He will only be effective as long as the enemy team just blindly chases and kills whoever is under [[Chrono shift]] (<---Main reason why he works in ARAM) I really don't see much more he can do. His work is "hit and run" mostly, and either there is someone that can do that better, maybe endidng up sustaining it, or engage on him. Endgame, he'll be making ammends, not providing strategic options. [[Janna]] has insane ratios, compared to the fuckload of CC and mobility she has. that was, imo, the big edge she always had over [[Leona]]. I still dread those shields for half her HP. [/quote] which is why you use zileans ult right before the person dies lol, and of course you would want to pick zilean if your team has like a control mage or something that can cc other champions for your adc since you have only your slow (which as lifebaka said has a 2.5 duration at rank 1 so its still really good) i mean if you use your ult on a full hp adc thats safe of course theyre going to find a different target, you should use it as a clutch thing so that assassin or bruiser diving past your frontline doesnt get the kill because your adc is revived with full hp [/quote] it's not like i don't know what a [[Zilean]] is, nor i've never seen people playing it very well. My argument stands. [quote=NicknameMy] Rammus brings lategame more tankyness to the table (AKA 4 people instalock squishies). And he is better if the botlane is starting to roam, as his ganking is better than [[fiddlesticks]], cuz [[fiddlesticks]] is so goddamn slow. Of course, that doesn't really matter, but it is still something :P. [/quote] this would never work because: [[rammus]] is a porkchop without some levels on his W he's melee his [[Puncturing taunt]] is near melee range he has no instant gap closer besides the other problems he already has. toplane [[Rammus]] was my thing for a while and I dread jungling him. Most recent games in ARAM prove me that he can only be effective starting ~lvl12, along with a few items. for SR he's too reliant on ganks for success, since he's a very bad farmer, so he works well with not too many laners, since they also have to deal a good part of the damage. He'll be shelved for another season, imo.[/quote]

[quote=jhoijhoi][quote=OTGBionicArm]Did you see her fancy kit changes? ^^ [/quote] What, no? What's happening to her? o.o[/quote]