Atma's Impaler Renekton

[quote=Napoleon D]Wickd just built [[Atma's Impaler]] on [[malphite]] and look at good that went. Atma's impaler is not viable on anyone.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=NicknameMy] I would rather say combo [[atma's impaler]] with [[the brutalizer]], as most champs which get it want CDR and Armorpen aswell. Could look like this: [img]http://imageshack.com/a/img542/4540/4bh4.png[/img] [/quote] that doesn't fix the problem of it forcing you to buy a stat it doesn't have to make it efficient.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]On a normal bruiser/tank build you gain around 4000 HP anyway, some champs even get more. That is 80 AD. And with the armorpen and cooldown reduction it has the potential to rival [[the black cleaver]]. The differnce is, [[the black cleaver]] is rather an item you buy midgame, this you rater buy lategame. Of course this also depends onto your team and the enemy team... About cost efficiency: 40 AD if you buy no health (2000 HP): 1440 gold 10% CDR: 322 gold 45 armor: 900 gold Makes together 2662 gold, not considering the armorpen. So why you actually have to build a stat to make it efficient?[/quote]

[quote=C4 Lasty]Flat AD doesn't really do as much late game as Armor Pen does.[/quote]

[quote=H4xDefender]I want to clarify that crit is NOT a bad stat, the problem is it needs armor pen (and some AD) to scale past midgame. Atma's is in a weird place since tanky heroes don't usually build more than 1 damage item, and a lot of champions actually have shoddy base HP so it is very difficult to take an item without any HP bonus.(See why frozen heart doesn't get built too often despite people fawning over how cost efficient it is). This limits Atma's to be incredibly niche to champions that have immense amounts of innate health and can get away with one item in their build not giving HP and have some natural damage to back it up (olaf) or champions that are so tanky innately that they can get away with it as well. (garen) You can say this is a problem with atma's, but you can also say it is just how league has evolved... think of the last time you saw a champion get released that is even remotely similar to garen and olaf. The closest is probably darius, and atma's isnt bad on him per se, but it isn't the best damage item and he needs tank items to survive, so he usually just cannot afford it. Even if atma's gets buffed up to 2.5% hp/ad conversion I doubt it will get built often. I do not believe atma's needs a rework. Wit's end and nashors tooth are just about as niche and they are being left alone for now.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]So how got Atrimog's once the meta?[/quote]

[quote=Jpikachu1999]That was way back in Season 2, which was a different meta with different items, that also had different champions, which also had a bunch of champs get changed or nerfed/buffed. Also, Atrimog's was before [[Blade of the ruined king]] was released. I'd laugh to see you build Atrimog's in game these days without getting shredded (not to mention that that is like 8000 gold to build, 9000~ with tier 2 boots).[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=H4xDefender] I want to clarify that crit is NOT a bad stat, the problem is it needs armor pen (and some AD) to scale past midgame. Atma's is in a weird place since tanky heroes don't usually build more than 1 damage item, and a lot of champions actually have shoddy base HP so it is very difficult to take an item without any HP bonus.(See why frozen heart doesn't get built too often despite people fawning over how cost efficient it is). This limits Atma's to be incredibly niche to champions that have immense amounts of innate health and can get away with one item in their build not giving HP and have some natural damage to back it up (olaf) or champions that are so tanky innately that they can get away with it as well. (garen) You can say this is a problem with atma's, but you can also say it is just how league has evolved... think of the last time you saw a champion get released that is even remotely similar to garen and olaf. The closest is probably darius, and atma's isnt bad on him per se, but it isn't the best damage item and he needs tank items to survive, so he usually just cannot afford it. Even if atma's gets buffed up to 2.5% hp/ad conversion I doubt it will get built often. I do not believe atma's needs a rework. Wit's end and nashors tooth are just about as niche and they are being left alone for now. [/quote] I do think [icon=Atma's Impaler] Atma's + [icon=The Black Cleaver] Cleaver work well together but it's niche and possibly inferior to standard more tank-oriented builds.[/quote]

[quote=DarkAkumaLord]Atma's literally best squishy damage dealer that you can build it on is [[sion]].[/quote]

[quote=Andrax1]I take Fmal over Warmogs now. And IE if I can afford it when at base, if not I get BT.[/quote]