People never know when to surrender, do they?

[quote=Blian]I can see a lil bit of misunderstanding here. Let me give you a very simple scenario which just happened to me yesterday. I was soloing with Rumble at top while Lee was jungling. We had Orianna at mid, Caitlin and Morgana bot. Before the game I asked the player if he knows how to play Orianna as it is not that easy and he said yes, already mastered her. Fine. In 10 minutes Orianna got killed 5 times and she was against Vel'Koz which means Vel was already way feeded to handle him. At the very beginning I asked Orianna to call SS immediately even if I like using too many wards but if I'm alone up there I prefer playing safe. I always had to help Lee with the blue as he wasn't capable to jungle.. I was doing fine at top and could farm enough to push my lane but I was alone the whole game. Caitlin and Morgana is a very strong duo however Caitlin got her first kill around 15th minutes, how? Pretty easy, straightforward adc. Furthermore the lack of communication also drove me crazy.[/quote]

[quote=Nera]hmmmm... From that short paragraph that game doesn't feel it was that bad actually . :P It is all about the attittude you adopt (positive right?) and then trying to make plays out of that. You tell that Orianna to stay by tower and farm it up as much as possible and you organise for a 4-5 man gank mid. I can [[garen]]tee you since [[Vel'koz]] is so immobile a 5 man tower dive he will never ever get away. Then you get as many objectives as possible. [[dragon]], mid tower, anything to give your team global gold. Of course that's perfect conditions and your teammates are glad to listen to your pings and your chitchat. But i have won way worse than that. 40 some kills behind and we still managed to pull off a win after a sneaky [[baron]] and then getting towers over and over again until we snowballed out of proportions. It is tough. but it is doable if your team starts cooperating. Like some others said. In ranked i will never press yes on that stupid call for surrender. In normals it will depend on if i want to play with the toxis players or not. If i feel like they'll put me in a very sour mood then i'll press yes as this is a game and it should be enjoyed and have fun. my 2 cents : never give up, there is always a way. Nera Ps: Pings are op. ping for mia's, ping for objectives, ping danger when you see a jungler or another lane getting ganked. PINGS everywheres!!![/quote]

[quote=Fat_fast]Surrender.Gets You.Nowhere. Futile? Delaying the inevitable? Pss, there is no such thing as a match you can't win, only a match you couldn't win. If you're no longer serious and couldn't careless about the result, that's when you surrender. Accept that you surrendered for apparently no good reason and move on.[/quote]

[quote=luizdeh]I don't get people that don't surrender normals. There is a lot to learn for ranked for sure, how to turtle, sneak baron, try to pick someone off, defend the siege, etc. But holy shit it's been 45 minutes, we have 1 tower while they have all inhib towers up, everybody lost lane, they got 3 barons, every dragon for the last 30 minutes, the score is 20-40, people are flaming and blaming each other and you don't surrender? Situations like this requires a miracle of teamwork and coordination to pull a comeback. How often do you see that happening in Normals? Fuck that, I don't have all the time in the world.[/quote]

[quote=Meiyjhe]I surrender games when I am not enjoying them anymore. Whether it be that everything just goes wrong, whether it be that nothing is just happening at all. I think that counts for a lot of people. When people lose really really hard, it isn't enjoyable anymore for some people. If you just feel: "No matter how hard I will try, we will lose this", then of course, go ahead and surrender. I'd do the same unless the game is still fun for whatever reason. However, this also means that you cannot be like: "Wow we obviously lost this retards, why the fuck wont you surrender" "Report my team pls for no surrender" Or anything like that. Just because you aren't enjoying the match anymore or don't see hope anymore or whatever, doesn't mean you're teammates do the same. They might still see opportunity, they might still have a blast. It might suck for you, but just keep your own hopes up and see whether your team might surprise you or not. It might be a good game in the end after all :3[/quote]

[quote=sirell][quote=Blian] I can see a lil bit of misunderstanding here. Let me give you a very simple scenario which just happened to me yesterday. I was soloing with Rumble at top while Lee was jungling. We had Orianna at mid, Caitlin and Morgana bot. Before the game I asked the player if he knows how to play Orianna as it is not that easy and he said yes, already mastered her. Fine. In 10 minutes Orianna got killed 5 times and she was against Vel'Koz which means Vel was already way feeded to handle him. At the very beginning I asked Orianna to call SS immediately even if I like using too many wards but if I'm alone up there I prefer playing safe. I always had to help Lee with the blue as he wasn't capable to jungle.. I was doing fine at top and could farm enough to push my lane but I was alone the whole game. Caitlin and Morgana is a very strong duo however Caitlin got her first kill around 15th minutes, how? Pretty easy, straightforward adc. Furthermore the lack of communication also drove me crazy. [/quote] I still fail to see a reason as to why you should surrender.[/quote]

[quote=Khazem]I'm not gonna lie. I'm always going to be that little shit that presses no no matter what. My attitude towards it is that you never know what can happen in solo queue. I've had games where we were down like 5-25, having no turrets while being pushed to all 3 inhibs and everyone on the team flaming eacother turn around for me just because either the enemy team gets too cocky and we get a bunch of picks, or the enemy team has a DC and suddenly we're a man up and their advantage, no matter how big it was, kinda falls off. Besides, regardless of all this. Even if you are hopelessly behind and can't see a way you can win, you can always learn from those situations. You can learn how to improve your odds in a hopeless situation so that games like this don't have to always result in losses. Buuut it could also be that I'm just extremely stubborn.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Khazem] I'm not gonna lie. I'm always going to be that little shit that presses no no matter what. My attitude towards it is that you never know what can happen in solo queue. I've had games where we were down like 5-25, having no turrets while being pushed to all 3 inhibs and everyone on the team flaming eacother turn around for me just because either the enemy team gets too cocky and we get a bunch of picks, or the enemy team has a DC and suddenly we're a man up and their advantage, no matter how big it was, kinda falls off. Besides, regardless of all this. Even if you are hopelessly behind and can't see a way you can win, you can always learn from those situations. You can learn how to improve your odds in a hopeless situation so that games like this don't have to always result in losses. Buuut it could also be that I'm just extremely stubborn. [/quote] Same here.[/quote]

[quote=Embracing][quote=Khazem] I'm not gonna lie. I'm always going to be that little shit that presses no no matter what. My attitude towards it is that you never know what can happen in solo queue. I've had games where we were down like 5-25, having no turrets while being pushed to all 3 inhibs and everyone on the team flaming eacother turn around for me just because either the enemy team gets too cocky and we get a bunch of picks, or the enemy team has a DC and suddenly we're a man up and their advantage, no matter how big it was, kinda falls off. Besides, regardless of all this. Even if you are hopelessly behind and can't see a way you can win, you can always learn from those situations. You can learn how to improve your odds in a hopeless situation so that games like this don't have to always result in losses. Buuut it could also be that I'm just extremely stubborn. [/quote] ^ To be honest, people who rush surrenders don't see the merit in being forced to play reactively. Each game is an experience and that's what make people better players.[/quote]

[quote=ShortyHUN][quote=Blian] I can see a lil bit of misunderstanding here. Let me give you a very simple scenario which just happened to me yesterday. I was soloing with Rumble at top while Lee was jungling. We had Orianna at mid, Caitlin and Morgana bot. Before the game I asked the player if he knows how to play Orianna as it is not that easy and he said yes, already mastered her. Fine. In 10 minutes Orianna got killed 5 times and she was against Vel'Koz which means Vel was already way feeded to handle him. At the very beginning I asked Orianna to call SS immediately even if I like using too many wards but if I'm alone up there I prefer playing safe. I always had to help Lee with the blue as he wasn't capable to jungle.. I was doing fine at top and could farm enough to push my lane but I was alone the whole game. Caitlin and Morgana is a very strong duo however Caitlin got her first kill around 15th minutes, how? Pretty easy, straightforward adc. Furthermore the lack of communication also drove me crazy. [/quote] Well you should be alone all the time at top :P if you need the jungler's help, he can't focus the carry lanes and he's far from dragon. If you can make the enemy jungler camp top/mid roam there all the time and get away alive from the ganks, you just won your lane congrats. But if some shit is going on, you should consider leaving your lane (maybe even lose tower) to help them out. So yea +5 points to [[teleport]] on top. On the topic... well i agree with [url=http://www.mobafire.com/profile/meiyjhe-295571][color=#00ff00]Meiyjhe[/color][/url], if i don't enjoy it and we are losing it's just a waste of my time, i have better things to do then watch my team obliterated without any hope of a comeback. Thats when i agree to surrender, but even if my team doesnt agrees with it, i won't rage or go afk, just continue and try it again later maybe they already noticed.[/quote]