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On the subject of Warwick.

Creator: ThreadOfFate November 29, 2014 5:15am
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qss works because it removes all DEBUFFS, not removes all CC

supression is a DEBUFF, and yes it is technically CC in how it works but is not counted as CC in the game so you can't cleanse or reduce it with tenacity.
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caucheka wrote:
qss works because it removes all DEBUFFS, not removes all CC

supression is a DEBUFF, and yes it is technically CC in how it works but is not counted as CC in the game so you can't cleanse or reduce it with tenacity.

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He's actually right, tenacity doesn't reduce the ult time or damage done (in this case those are both mutually exclusive).

The rest of his logic sort of follows along since you can't cleanse it (but you can cleanse all other CC's, but not debuffs except ignite afaik) but you can qss (removes every cc and debuff) or orange it (also removes every cc and debuff).


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Nighthawk wrote:
He's actually right, tenacity doesn't reduce the ult time or damage done (in this case those are both mutually exclusive).

The rest of his logic sort of follows along since you can't cleanse it (but you can cleanse all other CC's, but not debuffs except ignite afaik) but you can qss (removes every cc and debuff) or orange it (also removes every cc and debuff).
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jhoijhoi wrote:
Warwick's ult is easily disabled. Any form of CC interrupts it.


So you require at least 1 other person than yourself to deal with Warwick... and that 1 other person requires some form of hard CC that prevents the channel of the ult. Either that or you get 100-0ed. Or, if you're by yourself, you have to set up some form of delayed CC so that when Warwick ults you, you can negate it.

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How does that not sound stupidly broken?

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You can also get Quicksilver Sash and just walk away from it.


Being forced into a particular item with no huge disadvantage to the enemy (he can always just ult someone else) is really never a nice thing. That's 1250g I have to funnel into a defensive item quickly just because Warwick hits level 6 when it can definitely go towards other core items. As an ADC that's pretty crippling when the opposing ADC can spend their money on damage if they wished.

As a form of counterplay, it really is kind of toxic and linear.
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sirell wrote:

Being forced into a particular item with no huge disadvantage to the enemy (he can always just ult someone else) is really never a nice thing. That's 1250g I have to funnel into a defensive item quickly just because Warwick hits level 6 when it can definitely go towards other core items. As an ADC that's pretty crippling when the opposing ADC can spend their money on damage if they wished.

As a form of counterplay, it really is kind of toxic and linear.


Definitely agreed. It's not perfect, but it's something at the very least.
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sirell wrote:


Being forced into a particular item with no huge disadvantage to the enemy (he can always just ult someone else) is really never a nice thing. That's 1250g I have to funnel into a defensive item quickly just because Warwick hits level 6 when it can definitely go towards other core items. As an ADC that's pretty crippling when the opposing ADC can spend their money on damage if they wished.

As a form of counterplay, it really is kind of toxic and linear.



I guess skarner and malzahar are broken as **** too /s
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Skarner and Malz don't drain 3/4 of your hp with smite-ultimate combo.
WW was nothing til they created a true damage on autoattck jg item and gave it the Feral Flare passive as an upgrade option.

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Skarner and Malz don't drain 3/4 of your hp with smite-ultimate combo.
WW was nothing til they created a true damage on autoattck jg item and gave it the Feral Flare passive as an upgrade option.


malzahar can definitely 1 shot you in a full combo. I don't know if you've ever seen one
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sirell wrote:
So you require at least 1 other person than yourself to deal with Warwick... and that 1 other person requires some form of hard CC that prevents the channel of the ult. Either that or you get 100-0ed. Or, if you're by yourself, you have to set up some form of delayed CC so that when Warwick ults you, you can negate it.

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How does that not sound stupidly broken?

He doesn't 100-0 tanky members. And if you're by yourself when there IS a WW running around that can 100-0 a tanky member, isn't it your fault for being caught? But suppose it's a 5v5 fight and WW ults your squishy team member - like I said, any sort of CC can rescue them. OR appropriate items, such as Mikael's/Locket. OR a summoner spell like Heal/Exhaust. And if all that fails, what about an AP carry just 100-0'ing the WW? Like Veigar. I mean, Veigar requires at least 1 other person than yourself to deal with. And that person needs some sort of CC that prevents Veigar from Q-Ulting you in less than half a second. Or, if you're by yourself, you could have some sort of item like QSS to get out of his stun wall... But maybe we're talking about CC that can't be escaped because it lasts forever and does a lot of damage? Just get Malzahar to CC and 100-0 the WW. Easy.

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