7.4 Tier List + AMA

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=Cooper112]If your a good support players you can also make more plays or picks with annie or morg.[/quote]That depends on the match-up, but, generally, both [[Annie]] and [[Morgana]] are less effective when behind than [[Nami]] is. [[Nami]] kinda fills the role [[Sona]] used to fill, [[Annie]] and [[Morgana]] are entirely different. [quote]If i wanted to carry as a support i would take them two any day over nami.[/quote]You know perfectly well [[Nami]] isn't a carry support so that argument is totally invalid in this situation. [s]Neither is [[Morgana]], oh wait.[/s] [size=1]I'd rather play [[Vel'koz]] support over either of those if I was going for a carry support, given that he's just bot lane ebola.[/size][/quote]

[quote=H4xDefender]Nami's lane presence is wayy stronger than both Annie and Morgana and she can disengage better than them as well. Bubble isn't quite as strong a catch spell as tibbers or morg bind, but its still something, and she has tidal wave as well. Mordekaiser is completely worthless in higher level play. He provides no cc, pushes all the time, and has no escape. On top of all of that, his burst isn't even long range, nor is it particularly large. Yorick is at least a lane bully who can potentially win you the game by pressing R on your ad carry if he gets fed, and on top of that he is tanky. AD ezreal of course. His waveclear isn't that bad, especially because if you land a few good mystic shots the enemy laner will probably be zoned from the wave as opposed to pushing you in. You have ult for emergencies as well.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm][quote=The_Nameless_Bard] [size=1]I'd rather play [[Vel'koz]] support over either of those if I was going for a carry support, given that he's just bot lane ebola.[/size][/quote] Why does everyone think that :[[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=OTGBionicArm]Why does everyone think that :[[/quote]maybe because it's true? :P[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Cooper112][quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=Cooper112]One thing i dont agree with is Annie and Morg below nami. Nami i would personally put in tier 2 just above braum.[/quote][[Nami]] is way more variable than either of them, plus only a few things counter her really hard. She's not the [i]best[/i] support in the game anymore, but she's definitely still tier one imo. Both [[Annie]] and [[Morgana]] have more counters then [[Nami]] and they aren't consistently good in nearly any composition.[/quote] i wanted to[/quote] Yes, I'm sure that's where the problem lies. Also, [[Morgana]] doesn't carry for shit; the only reason [[Morgana]] ever became popular as a support is because she countered all the top tier champions.[/quote]

[quote=Cooper112][quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Cooper112][quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=Cooper112]One thing i dont agree with is Annie and Morg below nami. Nami i would personally put in tier 2 just above braum.[/quote][[Nami]] is way more variable than either of them, plus only a few things counter her really hard. She's not the [i]best[/i] support in the game anymore, but she's definitely still tier one imo. Both [[Annie]] and [[Morgana]] have more counters then [[Nami]] and they aren't consistently good in nearly any composition.[/quote] i wanted to[/quote] Yes, I'm sure that's where the problem lies. Also, [[Morgana]] doesn't carry for shit; the only reason [[Morgana]] ever became popular as a support is because she countered all the top tier champions.[/quote]I dont agree im able to win more games on Morg she can do much more without her team. Nami needs her team to do anything, at least with morg and annie i feel i can do alot more and solo out people and catch them out nami im waiting for my team or staying back healing and then ulting.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Cooper112][quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Cooper112][quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=Cooper112]One thing i dont agree with is Annie and Morg below nami. Nami i would personally put in tier 2 just above braum.[/quote][[Nami]] is way more variable than either of them, plus only a few things counter her really hard. She's not the [i]best[/i] support in the game anymore, but she's definitely still tier one imo. Both [[Annie]] and [[Morgana]] have more counters then [[Nami]] and they aren't consistently good in nearly any composition.[/quote] i wanted to[/quote] Yes, I'm sure that's where the problem lies. Also, [[Morgana]] doesn't carry for shit; the only reason [[Morgana]] ever became popular as a support is because she countered all the top tier champions.[/quote]I dont agree im able to win more games on Morg she can do much more without her team.[/quote] I'm sorry, I should've said “[[Morgana]] doesn't carry for shit against people who are at least half decent at playing this game”, my mistake. [quote=Cooper112]Nami needs her team to do anything, at least with morg and annie i feel i can do alot more and solo out people and catch them out nami im waiting for my team or staying back healing and then ulting.[/quote] Every support needs a team to win the game, hell, that's what the role implies. Just the fact that [[Annie]] can one-shot someone that doesn't mean that [[Annie]] actually carries the game. People who play [[Nami]] well, will be able to carry far more games – as far that's possible as a support – than those who play [[Morgana]] or [[Annie]]; there's more versatility. She's no [[Thresh]] though.[/quote]

[quote=Cooper112][quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Cooper112][quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Cooper112][quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=Cooper112]One thing i dont agree with is Annie and Morg below nami. Nami i would personally put in tier 2 just above braum.[/quote][[Nami]] is way more variable than either of them, plus only a few things counter her really hard. She's not the [i]best[/i] support in the game anymore, but she's definitely still tier one imo. Both [[Annie]] and [[Morgana]] have more counters then [[Nami]] and they aren't consistently good in nearly any composition.[/quote] i wanted to[/quote] Yes, I'm sure that's where the problem lies. Also, [[Morgana]] doesn't carry for shit; the only reason [[Morgana]] ever became popular as a support is because she countered all the top tier champions.[/quote]I dont agree im able to win more games on Morg she can do much more without her team.[/quote] I'm sorry, I should've said “[[Morgana]] doesn't carry for shit against people who are at least half decent at playing this game”, my mistake. [quote=Cooper112]Nami needs her team to do anything, at least with morg and annie i feel i can do alot more and solo out people and catch them out nami im waiting for my team or staying back healing and then ulting.[/quote] Every support needs a team to win the game, hell, that's what the role implies. Just the fact that [[Annie]] can one-shot someone that doesn't mean that [[Annie]] actually carries the game. People who play [[Nami]] well, will be able to carry far more games – as far that's possible as a support – than those who play [[Morgana]] or [[Annie]]; there's more versatility. She's no [[Thresh]] though.[/quote] Of course you need your team somewhat to win but Morg and Annie need them less. Maybe its at level im playing at im only plat 5 right now but i still finding more success with them when i play sup there my default.[/quote]

[quote=Cooper112]Also i think Nidalee is best jungler atm for solo q especially she is alot like lee sin before his nerfs her early game is broken and she snowballs super hard kinda broken and she takes less skill to use easy champion to play.[/quote]

[quote=njdfan]Is this list pretty accurate for 5v5 unranked? I dont play ranked games or the ones where you ban champs. Thinking about buying a champ and while I dont necessarily want a Tier 1 champ, I definitely don't want one of the worst ones it their respective lane.[/quote]