PsiGuard wrote:
Win rates do not tell probabilities. League games are based on many more factors than champ select. Lots of very weird champions have high win rates because only skilled players play those champions. Lots of strong champions (pre-nerf Azir) have average or low win rates because they are difficult to play and a lot of people screw them up. You can't say with certainty that the champion with the highest win rate is better or the champion that wins more often in a matchup is stronger in that matchup.
Win rate is still a very big factor or are you saying the 58%-60% win rate ahri before her nerf meant nothing she was balanced?
Win rate is not very thing but it is not a useless stat ether it can give you help in what is a good or bad matchup.
Its always better to pick a champ your good on in my book even if its a counter or good win chance there are a lot of times people picked a counter pick into you and lose just because you out play them espcailly in lower divisions before diamond and challenger.
Cooper112 wrote:
Win rate is still a very big factor or are you saying the 58%-60% win rate ahri before her nerf meant nothing she was balanced?
Sure, win rates can be seen as an indication of a champion's strength (note that some of the factors Psi mentioned should definitely be taken into consideration).
In terms of matchups, however, they're not all that useful.
Sivir's win rate is roughly 52.9% right now, Caitlyn's is 49.5%. Does that make Sivir good against Caitlyn in lane for you? Because I can assure you she's not.
Please don't use win rates as justification for anything.
There are too many factors to be considered in analyzing win rates that make the statistic itself rather ambiguous. If you want to use win rates just use the factors that make up win rates instead.
Literally the only thing win rates show is how much a champion wins in solo queue. The only things you can really infer from win rates are from the extreme highs or lows, indicating problems with certain champions. All champions around 50 just show that they're fine as is. You can't say a champion is stronger than another because of their win rates.
And you aren't even including other factors like elo. Some champions **** on bronze and silver because people there don't know how to deal with certain champs (something like Blitzcrank I'm guessing), yet every single high elo ADC hates laning with blitzcrank because he provides literally nothing in lane to help in trades.
And that's only considering the win rates.
Win rates against matchups don't make sense unless you're comparing team comps, or if you'd like to consider the influence other scaling champions or early game champions in the game have, or how other champions group, skirmish and fight for objectives differently each game (hint: it's not possible)
win rates against certain matchups =/= winning lane probability
There are too many factors to be considered in analyzing win rates that make the statistic itself rather ambiguous. If you want to use win rates just use the factors that make up win rates instead.
Literally the only thing win rates show is how much a champion wins in solo queue. The only things you can really infer from win rates are from the extreme highs or lows, indicating problems with certain champions. All champions around 50 just show that they're fine as is. You can't say a champion is stronger than another because of their win rates.
And you aren't even including other factors like elo. Some champions **** on bronze and silver because people there don't know how to deal with certain champs (something like Blitzcrank I'm guessing), yet every single high elo ADC hates laning with blitzcrank because he provides literally nothing in lane to help in trades.
And that's only considering the win rates.
Win rates against matchups don't make sense unless you're comparing team comps, or if you'd like to consider the influence other scaling champions or early game champions in the game have, or how other champions group, skirmish and fight for objectives differently each game (hint: it's not possible)
win rates against certain matchups =/= winning lane probability
Wayne3100 wrote:
Sure, win rates can be seen as an indication of a champion's strength (note that some of the factors Psi mentioned should definitely be taken into consideration).
In terms of matchups, however, they're not all that useful.
Sivir's win rate is roughly 52.9% right now, Caitlyn's is 49.5%. Does that make Sivir good against Caitlyn in lane for you? Because I can assure you she's not.The reason cait has low win rate is she offers less to team as hole and is weak mid game. Sivir is just op in terms of team fights and helping everyone.
If i ever get forced to go adc i always pick sivir simply because i know im not best at that role and i can still help my team.
Wayne3100 wrote:
I wasn't asking you to explain that to me, because I already know that, thanks. It just goes to show that what you said earlier doesn't make sense.
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Win rates do not tell probabilities. League games are based on many more factors than champ select. Lots of very weird champions have high win rates because only skilled players play those champions. Lots of strong champions (pre-nerf Azir) have average or low win rates because they are difficult to play and a lot of people screw them up. You can't say with certainty that the champion with the highest win rate is better or the champion that wins more often in a matchup is stronger in that matchup.