7.4 Tier List + AMA

[quote=VexRoth][quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0]I don't know why you keep saying Shyvana gets countered by CC I mean firstly, she's a tank. Secondly she literally catapults into people to engage so you can't cc her. Thirdly, burnout is like the skill that everyone maxes first and if you're sitting on top of ANYONE with that running you've done your job. So how does CC counter her?[/quote] Try eating a [[Vault Breaker]] right as you try to jump on someone with [[Dragon's Descent]]. It will stop you cold. Pretty funny to see actually. "Ima big bad dragon! Rawrrrr!" Bang. "Owwwwwww! Why did you punch me in the snout?"[/quote]

[quote=Toshabi]By this logic: Any tank is a horrible pick because lolz CC. Hec sucks, Sion sucks, renekton sucks, hell, every champion in the game sucks! She's still strong in lane. She's still strong in team fights with her obnoxious ability to stick on targets/engage, farm faster and better than a legion of WoW Chinese gold farmers, and she still does tons of damage™ with just tanky items. Personally, at my ELO, I find her rather vexing to go up against.[/quote]

[quote=Zordagoth][quote=OTGBionicArm] CC counters her because she has no way of dealing with it, and has only one way of actually closing the gap (being fast with burnout doesnt count as a gap closer!) Being slowed is a pain. being stunned is a massive pain. She has nothing to actually keep someone in place for her to wail on them, thus CC and kiting her is her natural enemy.[/quote] FREAKING THANK YOU. I'm sorry guys but Maokai has a short cd untargetable dash/root. Sion has his ult. Sej has very short CD dash/bump + perma slow potential. Gragas blablabla you see what I mean. Shyv has her ult that can be SUPER easily denied by pretty much any support. And trust me, i really like Shyvana. It's super frustrating against CC teams.[/quote]

[quote=Nebrasketball]Ah, the old compare champ x's weaknesses to champ y's strength to prove a point. And saying shyvana is "countered" by cc is like saying adc's are "countered" by cc as well so adc jarvan is viable. Shyvana is SUSCEPTIBLE to cc, not countered.[/quote]

[quote=Embracing]shyv is top tier lol don't just look at the champions look at the meta and what it's become in a nutshell: teamfights are extended slapfests - shyvana strives in that shyvana is good in lane and pressures extremely well > shyvana is good in this meta[/quote]

[quote=H4xDefender]hey vi can knock sej and gragas out of their dashes too clearly they suck!!!!1111 maokai w has laughable range and its targeted, lOl If you are trying to engage with shyv ult head on without sivir ult/righteous glory/talisman, you are a moron. Shyvana either flanks or doesn't engage. Not having strong engage isn't a knock on her, plenty of champions don't. Not to mention you're completely ignoring her oppressive lane phase, which is her main strength lmao Newsflash: cc counters every champion in this game also I just named the most recent shyv game I saw, nme/tdk, sk/uol, jinair/cj, tip/tsm are just some other sets that come to mind offof the top of my head[/quote]

[quote=utopus]One thing to point out, though is that she has a weak initiate compared to other top tier picks like [[hecarim]] and [s][[maokai]][/s] [[sion]]; Shyvana complements junglers with strong initiates ([[gragas]] e.g.) incredibly well.[/quote]

[quote=H4xDefender]Where are people getting this fallacy that MAOKAI has good engage, he doesn't at ALL.[/quote]

[quote=utopus]I mean, it's not so much good, as it is reliable. [[righteous glory]] + [[twisted advance]] doesn't really require much thought; You'll gap close to your target, and snare them.[/quote]

[quote=Toshabi][quote=H4xDefender]Where are people getting this fallacy that MAOKAI has good engage, he doesn't at ALL.[/quote] Welcome to MOBAfail.[/quote]